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Rob19ny
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:56 am
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This was expected to happen considering Toriyama was creating the story. Now its just Toyotaro by himself. Not sure how much Toriyama told Toyotaro about the future arcs of the story, but it mostly depends on that. Decisions will have to be made.
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tintor2
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:30 am
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The whole Granolah arc also led to a hiatus for around 3 months. Still, the arc this manga has been publishing in the past years was based on the Super Hero movie so I guess whatever happens, once the manga returns from hiatus it will be Toyotaro's complete original work as Toriyama is no longer with us.
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Phoenix512
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:09 am
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The chapter that came out yesterday felt like it could be a conclusion to the manga. It wouldn't surprised me if it was found out that chapter was reworked into the released version that was published since it seem to be a nice tribute to Toriyama.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:15 am
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Not shocking after Toriyama's passing. Probably daunting to have to carry it on your own too.
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tintor2
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:04 am
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Phoenix512 wrote: | The chapter that came out yesterday felt like it could be a conclusion to the manga. It wouldn't surprised me if it was found out that chapter was reworked into the released version that was published since it seem to be a nice tribute to Toriyama. |
The thing that Super left open though was Frieza. Last time he appeared he defeated Goku and Vegeta with a single punch and for some reason, the manga instead adapted Gohan's and Piccolo's movie over continuing this arc.
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Bonebrain
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:28 pm
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Not sure I want a Dragonball without Toriyama.
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Turtleboy76
Joined: 06 Jun 2023
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:40 pm
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tintor2 wrote: |
Phoenix512 wrote: | The chapter that came out yesterday felt like it could be a conclusion to the manga. It wouldn't surprised me if it was found out that chapter was reworked into the released version that was published since it seem to be a nice tribute to Toriyama. |
The thing that Super left open though was Frieza. Last time he appeared he defeated Goku and Vegeta with a single punch and for some reason, the manga instead adapted Gohan's and Piccolo's movie over continuing this arc. |
Well timeline wise thats what happened next as pace breaking as it was. Broly didn't get adapted on paper, but movies always seem to get expanded in some form or another.
Black Freiza is the only real arc remaining, especially because timeline wise, we are like what, within the last year of the 10 year super saga before End of Z. Once Freiza is done and maybe one last thing to do with Beerus, theyre pretty much all caught up on the 10 years before End of Z and Goku leaving to train Uub.
Or you know they tie in another tournament of the universes, maybe universes 13-18 will be back in it this time if 17's wish technically bought back those 6 erased ones too.
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residentgrigo
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:38 pm
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The manga and the anime differ. Often greatly. Films 2 and 3 happen off-screen, both versions of the Future Trunks Saga are nearly unrecognizable from each other but 2 manga original arcs set between the endpoint of the DBS anime and DBS: Super Hero also exist. Those gave a new status quo for Freeza and Vegeta leading to a big cliffhanger the anime lacks. Dragon Ball Daima´s effect on the manga is unknown as of now.
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Tenbyakugon
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:25 pm
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Time to end it. Reading works beyond the deaths of their authors always feels so faithless.
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Wyvern
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:14 pm
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Who legally owns the Dragon Ball franchise now that Toriyama is gone? Does it become entirely Shueisha's property? Did Toriyama pass ownership to a family member? Or maybe it became the property of Bird Studio or one of its employees? Whoever owns it now will likely determine if Super ever resumes, and in what form. Not to mention the fate of other projects like Dragon Ball Daima.
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:31 pm
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Wyvern wrote: | Who legally owns the Dragon Ball franchise now that Toriyama is gone? Does it become entirely Shueisha's property? Did Toriyama pass ownership to a family member? Or maybe it became the property of Bird Studio or one of its employees? Whoever owns it now will likely determine if Super ever resumes, and in what form. Not to mention the fate of other projects like Dragon Ball Daima. |
Manga is creator-owned by nature, and Bird Studio has always been included in the copyright, so I think it's safe to say that Bird Studio & Toriyama's estate continue to own the rights to any & all of Toriyama's catalog, who in turn will continue to work with Shueisha.
As for Daima, apparently Toriyama's involvement with it had already been more or less completed, so it should debut & air as originally intended.
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ChibiGoku
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:31 pm
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Wyvern wrote: | Who legally owns the Dragon Ball franchise now that Toriyama is gone? Does it become entirely Shueisha's property? Did Toriyama pass ownership to a family member? Or maybe it became the property of Bird Studio or one of its employees? Whoever owns it now will likely determine if Super ever resumes, and in what form. Not to mention the fate of other projects like Dragon Ball Daima. |
Dragon Ball has an entire committee system to it effectively would be passed through multiple hands and multiple parties to decide what to do. Toriyama also had his own company to help manage certain things with his works (both for production and rights) with Bird Studio (which you see credited on all releases since it's foundation).
There's probably discussions right now with the above parties, possibly alongside his family, to figure out how to approach this, and this could take months to resolve. Crayon Shin-chan went through a similar issue, including the continuation of the anime production, after the creator suddenly passed.
Either way, we'll get confirmation of what's happening at some point.
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funkfoot
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:25 pm
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Tenbyakugon wrote: | Time to end it. Reading works beyond the deaths of their authors always feels so faithless. |
Unless perhaps it's a case like Miura where he gave Kouji Mori and his assistants his blessings to finish it and gave them info prior to his passing. But overall I wold much rather never have another chapter of High School of the Dead than see it brought back and paraded around in some kind of mockery like you do with many other old IPs have gotten in modern times.
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Chiyosuke
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:44 pm
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Lord Geo wrote: |
Wyvern wrote: | Who legally owns the Dragon Ball franchise now that Toriyama is gone? Does it become entirely Shueisha's property? Did Toriyama pass ownership to a family member? Or maybe it became the property of Bird Studio or one of its employees? Whoever owns it now will likely determine if Super ever resumes, and in what form. Not to mention the fate of other projects like Dragon Ball Daima. |
Manga is creator-owned by nature, and Bird Studio has always been included in the copyright, so I think it's safe to say that Bird Studio & Toriyama's estate continue to own the rights to any & all of Toriyama's catalog, who in turn will continue to work with Shueisha.
As for Daima, apparently Toriyama's involvement with it had already been more or less completed, so it should debut & air as originally intended. |
Bird Studio is literally Akira Toriyama. It's likely controlled by his estate, however that may be structured.
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billy bob
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:52 pm
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I have doubts it would ONLY be Toriyama estate who would decide. Shueisha has copyright too.
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