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Jay_Stone
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 Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:17 pm
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Ngl, I had my doubts when hearing about this but it actually looks pretty good
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Chiibi
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:27 pm
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They look too much like photographs with dialogue bubbles added. :/
It's like there's not even a point.
Manga is beautiful because humans draw it. Nuff said.
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Spack
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:33 pm
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Interesting. Wonder how long til we see more mainstream titles benefiting from this technology
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DioM
Joined: 30 Nov 2021
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:36 pm
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Looks good but the panelling is so awful it hurts, so is the dialogue. Hack "work"
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AsleepBySunset
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:51 pm
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Art is dead.
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Blanchimont
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:06 pm
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| AsleepBySunset wrote: | | Art is dead. |
Art is alive and well. This is just a tool like anything else, how you use it is up to you.
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AsleepBySunset
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:32 pm
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| Blanchimont wrote: |
| AsleepBySunset wrote: | | Art is dead. |
Art is alive and well. This is just a tool like anything else, how you use it is up to you. |
It's literally a comic entirely drawn by a machine. There won't be a need to pay for artists to draw comics anymore. One of the worst things is, AI harms the most prolific artists the most, as its easier to make an AI to imitate the style of popular artists like Greg Rutkowski than it is to make an AI imitate a random beginner whose been drawing for three years. If any person wanted, they could have an ai draw all book covers, all comics, all paintings in galleries. The only reason this wouldn't happen is if people chose to reject the idea AI art is acceptable, and chose to consider it entirely morally objectional, which you clearly would find worse than AI killing art. On one hand AI techbros insist AI won't kill art because ideas-guys will be able to type in there ideas to create ai art, while at the same time they insist AI will help artists because people with no ideas will be able to use AI to ... generate ideas? (Which is it?). If AI can generate ideas, and implement them, then art can and will be automated, and all drawing will be relegated to art therapy, at that point you may as well do yoga or meditate instead.
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ximpalullaorg
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:38 pm
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| Quote: | | AI harms the most prolific artists the most, as its easier to make an AI to imitate the style of popular artists like Greg Rutkowski than it is to make an AI imitate a random beginner whose been drawing for three years. |
There's nothing "easy". To produce good results there's a lot of work to do. I've tested Stable Diffusion myself, and to get something decent I had to reiterate the process at least 20 times.
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AsleepBySunset
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:45 pm
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| ximpalullaorg wrote: |
| Quote: | | AI harms the most prolific artists the most, as its easier to make an AI to imitate the style of popular artists like Greg Rutkowski than it is to make an AI imitate a random beginner whose been drawing for three years. |
There's nothing "easy". To produce good results there's a lot of work to do. I've tested Stable Diffusion myself, and to get something decent I had to reiterate the process at least 20 times. |
It will improve within five years, current AI was unthinkable 10 years ago. Also typing words into a text box and picking the best result will always be easier than learning to draw and then drawing the picture yourself... Even if you had to "iteratate" a 100 times it would still be easier. The fact you're complaining about how inconvenient the AI is highlights the whole problem, AI bros want art to be as convenient as using the bathroom.
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Looper2
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:02 pm
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| AsleepBySunset wrote: | | Art is dead. |
If art is dead because of AI, it just means that art itself didn't have what it takes to "survive".
It means that your NSFW art (let's be honest, for most part, it's only just fap material) on Patreon isn't hot enough compared to what AI can do, and you will have to improve more, sorry.
Or, you will have to start thinking about learning the real skills, and get a real job in reak world like most people.
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dabanbo
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:14 pm
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| Looper2 wrote: |
| AsleepBySunset wrote: | | Art is dead. |
If art is dead because of AI, it just means that art itself didn't have what it takes to "survive".
It means that your NSFW art (let's be honest, for most part, it's only just fap material) on Patreon isn't hot enough compared to what AI can do, and you will have to improve more, sorry.
Or, you will have to start thinking about learning the real skills, and get a real job in reak world like most people. |
Art is a "real skill," and is a "real job."
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ximpalullaorg
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:16 pm
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| AsleepBySunset wrote: | |
It will improve within five years, current AI was unthinkable 10 years ago. Also typing words into a text box and picking the best result will always be easier than learning to draw and then drawing the picture yourself... Even if you had to "iteratate" a 100 times it would still be easier. The fact you're complaining about how inconvenient the AI is highlights the whole problem, AI bros want art to be as convenient as using the bathroom. |
I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. "AI" cannot overcome the limitation of the model on which it is based on. Even with all the training it's still a model.
I personally used it to create a concept and later ask an illustrator to create a few things based on it. So much for "killing art".
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dm
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:35 pm
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Somehow, photography didn't bring an end to painting or drawing. I wonder why that is.
I view this as a new medium. I think the photography analogy is pretty good. There's the picture you snap with your phone, and then there's what a real artist can do with a camera. This is pretty much the same, though it's less about hand-eye coordination than it is about coaching the AI to produce a decent image (and I would be surprised if none of the AI images have been massaged a bit in post-production --- just as photographers used to do in the darkroom and now do with Photoshop.
The important question for me is this: is the story any good?
(I remember when the Macintosh was introduced with MacDraw (maybe it was MacPaint), there was a (surprise! cyberpunk!) comic produced called Shatter. It was actually pretty good, though pixellated as hell.)
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Top Gun
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:54 pm
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Congrats, you typed some words and moved some sliders in an algorithm that was trained on a ton of images created by actually-talented people who probably didn't give their permission for you to use them in that way. We're all very impressed here.
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onpufan
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:14 pm
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| AsleepBySunset wrote: | | Art is dead. |
If "art dies" its because a better method was found, like the car and plane replacing horse-drawn carriages. Society didn't collapse because people invented machines and factories to make growing and producing food easier and automated. Technology and progress is the inevitable future of mankind and those who try to fight against it are always doomed to be left behind.
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