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MFrontier
Joined: 13 Apr 2014
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:25 am
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Huh, I actually enjoyed Hentai Ouji...
I did not know Watari was the head writer of The Saint's Magic is Omnipotent. Like, that is such a random connection and so far out of his usual writing wheelhouse even if he's just adapting from the novel. Apparently he also did Domestic Girlfriend scrips too, which is hilarious to me.
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:29 am
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Even the author's notes that aren't going into the novel have to be saved often to prevent issues these days.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:41 am
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Quote: | Sagara published an explanation on his Twitter account on Tuesday, saying that he had read Inakunare, Gunjō six years ago, and was attracted to the specific lines about the sunset. He explained that he had transcribed the lines to a plain text file that he kept as a reference for writing ideas. He claimed that at some point, whether by chance or accident, the text containing the source and author of the lines no longer appeared on the file. Thinking that the lines were his own writing, he supposedly then used them in his own novel, now unaware that Yutaka Kōno had written the lines. MF Bunko J said in its statement that it had judged that Sagara's actions were accidental, not intentional. |
So, Sagara-san apparently credited some other author for said lines. Now, someone please clarify the "Thinking that the lines were his own writing" part because to me the lines that I put in bold here sound contradictory.
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AQuin1904
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:57 am
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Kadmos1 wrote: | Article
Quote: | Sagara published an explanation on his Twitter account on Tuesday, saying that he had read Inakunare, Gunjō six years ago, and was attracted to the specific lines about the sunset. He explained that he had transcribed the lines to a plain text file that he kept as a reference for writing ideas. He claimed that at some point, whether by chance or accident, the text containing the source and author of the lines no longer appeared on the file. Thinking that the lines were his own writing, he supposedly then used them in his own novel, now unaware that Yutaka Kōno had written the lines. MF Bunko J said in its statement that it had judged that Sagara's actions were accidental, not intentional. |
So, Sagara-san apparently credited some other author for said lines. Now, someone please clarify the "Thinking that the lines were his own writing" part because to me the lines that I put in bold here sound contradictory. |
It reads like he used the file for general notes, including his own ideas, not just for quotes he wanted to keep on hand. So, deleting the attribution made it look like one of his own notes, not a quotation from yet another author.
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Andrew Cunningham
Joined: 01 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:57 am
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According to the full Japanese statement he put out, the file wasn't just inspirational quotes from other authors, but also contained lines he'd written. Since the attribution on this quote got lost, he thought it was one of his.
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sarusa
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:05 pm
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Recalling a book over two paraphrased lines is utterly silly and wasteful. Pages of it would be plagiarism, but writers steal from each other all the time. The entire isekai genre is nothing but stealing the same plots and ideas over and over with the same character designs (a truly new idea like zamaa gets invented about once a year, then everyone steals that one too).
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harminia
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:27 pm
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sarusa wrote: | Recalling a book over two paraphrased lines is utterly silly and wasteful. Pages of it would be plagiarism, but writers steal from each other all the time. The entire isekai genre is nothing but stealing the same plots and ideas over and over with the same character designs (a truly new idea like zamaa gets invented about once a year, then everyone steals that one too). |
Using the same tropes and generic designs as others is not the same thing as copy pasting word for word someone else's writing and claiming it as your own. That's not plagiarism (there may be some plagiarism but that's a separate matter), that's just using common constructs. That's like claiming everyone who writes fantasy is plagiarising from, idk, Tolkien or everyone writing romance is plagiarising Jane Austen etc etc.
I understand that in this case it was apparently a mistake and the original author holds no ill will, so it seems to be a nonissue at least. But this was at its core a case of actual plagiarising, and that's heavily looked down upon. Based on the information this wasn't just paraphrasing either, as the two lines were too similar for that.
Anyway, it was the authors choice to recall so we should respect that.
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