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FireChick
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:48 am Reply with quote
I only just started chapter 5, so I'm not too far in yet, but I honestly love Digimon Survive so far, slow pacing and all. I do agree that some repeated dialogue could have been cut and that the combat is kind of simple, but I care more about the story and characters than the gameplay. Plus, after being burned by Ghost Game's promise of being a new Tamers but devolving into a monster-of-the-week formula, Survive is pretty much everything I want and more.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:33 pm Reply with quote
FireChick wrote:
Plus, after being burned by Ghost Game's promise of being a new Tamers but devolving into a monster-of-the-week formula, Survive is pretty much everything I want and more.


You burned yourself because they told people from jump it was an episodic ghost stories show and that what the show always presented as. You literally saw three characters to start that took place in the human world and made your own assumptions.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:51 pm Reply with quote
bleachj0j wrote:
FireChick wrote:
Plus, after being burned by Ghost Game's promise of being a new Tamers but devolving into a monster-of-the-week formula, Survive is pretty much everything I want and more.


You burned yourself because they told people from jump it was an episodic ghost stories show and that what the show always presented as. You literally saw three characters to start that took place in the human world and made your own assumptions.


It should also be noted that just because there were 3 main characters that happen to have partners that share attributes with the tamers digimon that in no way meant it was going to be like Tamers in the first place. Also, again, they did say this from the start so it's not like it was false advertising.

That said I still have my complaints with GG even with this understanding (my biggest criticism of it isn't that it's episodic it's that the characters, while they have fun dynamics sometimes, feel so one note and it barely ever changes.) so this definitely made my playthrough of survive 20% more fulfilling. Finally a cast of digimon characters that can't be summed up in their merely a sentence, I missed that.

I've completed all the routes sans the true one which I'm going through now, so I can definitely agree that trying to go through the game can be a slog. I like most of the story beats (sans the few final bits of part 5 and the first half or so of part 6, if you know you know) but it can be kind of slog at times and one replays, while there was a part of me that wanted to slow down and appreciate some of the dialogue with newly acquired context of future events, but I still hit that ff button several times. I definitely think it's ideal to spread out your playtimes so it's not to close together but because I want to talk about this story with people I am trying to brute force my way through it.

The battles are definitely on the easy side (though I haven't shifted difficulty yet myself) and NG+ runs having you keep your levels definitely does it no favors (from what I understand you need a NG+ run to get to the true route) and there are a lot of spelling mistakes and other text based errors in the game, but I'm really happy that in spite of everything the stories still shined through for the most part. Wrath is definitely the route that impacted me the most but also I never want to playthrough it again lol. Harmony I mostly like but I do feel like there was a small piece missing to explain a certain character's actions during that route. and Moral is fine, but GREATLY appreciated when held up with the other two routes (my personal order was moral -> harmony -> wrath -> Ture (playing through now).

I guess my only other criticism of the game is less the game itself but more how badly handled the bonus DLC was for certain systems (me, who pre ordered in online for switch) where it took me 3 whole days til I finally got mine. It was quite the frustrating experience and if there's ANYTHING I hope Digimon takes from Pokemon, it's to better stream line these things so they aren't so obnoxious to deal with. It really should not have been that much of a hassle for something like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:49 am Reply with quote
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You burned yourself because they told people from jump it was an episodic ghost stories show and that what the show always presented as.


Wait, when and where did the creators say this? I don't remember encountering anything of the sort. Was there a Twitter post about this or something? Please show me if you're able.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:46 am Reply with quote
I had to quit playing around ch3- the repetition quickly wore thin for me, both in the dialogue and the dull combat. There's a decent tale here, I think...but I'm having a hard time digging through to appreciate it. I'll come back to it later.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:14 am Reply with quote
Only good thing here is the story. We need an anime adaptation.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:37 pm Reply with quote
FireChick wrote:
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You burned yourself because they told people from jump it was an episodic ghost stories show and that what the show always presented as.


Wait, when and where did the creators say this? I don't remember encountering anything of the sort. Was there a Twitter post about this or something? Please show me if you're able.

Source A:
https://digi-lab.blog/digimon-ghost-game-animate-times-mutsumi-tamura-and-miyuki-sawashiro-interview/

Quote:
The latest Digimon series Digimon Ghost Game will begin on October 3, 2021! This is a series of interest that brings in innovations to the series, such as mysterious phenomena and an episodic format, in a story where the protagonist, Hiro, is entrusted Gammamon by his father and becomes involved in various mysterious phenomena.


Source B:
https://digi-lab.blog/november-2021-v-jump-interview-with-masatoshi-chioka/

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Q: Chioka-san, at what point did you come to be involved in the production for this series?

A: While they were still at the stage of the very first planning stages, the producer, Sakurada-san1, called out to me. It was right around that time when they were roughly thinking of the proposal to have it be “episodic” and “with a horror feel”. From there, we had more and more planning meetings, finalized the ideas that came out, and they had me put together and submit the tentative draft for this project.


Again, not to say you cannot take issue with this approach, but it's best to understand it's intentions.

KPK10 wrote:
Only good thing here is the story. We need an anime adaptation.


I like this game's story but I would be deeply deeply annoyed if after ghost game we got an anime based off this or some kind of digimon: thing but for 02 or any of the other seasons (much as I grow confident that won't happen). especially consider what makes the story more interesting than it could have been are the multiple routes and endings you can get, so a straight forward adaptation would be inherently inferior, and frankly, even if we did get anime ovas of it or something, I'd much rather take those resources and apply them to literally anything else
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:36 pm Reply with quote
Thatguy3331 wrote:
FireChick wrote:
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You burned yourself because they told people from jump it was an episodic ghost stories show and that what the show always presented as.


Wait, when and where did the creators say this? I don't remember encountering anything of the sort. Was there a Twitter post about this or something? Please show me if you're able.

Source A:
https://digi-lab.blog/digimon-ghost-game-animate-times-mutsumi-tamura-and-miyuki-sawashiro-interview/

Quote:
The latest Digimon series Digimon Ghost Game will begin on October 3, 2021! This is a series of interest that brings in innovations to the series, such as mysterious phenomena and an episodic format, in a story where the protagonist, Hiro, is entrusted Gammamon by his father and becomes involved in various mysterious phenomena.


Source B:
https://digi-lab.blog/november-2021-v-jump-interview-with-masatoshi-chioka/

Quote:
Q: Chioka-san, at what point did you come to be involved in the production for this series?

A: While they were still at the stage of the very first planning stages, the producer, Sakurada-san1, called out to me. It was right around that time when they were roughly thinking of the proposal to have it be “episodic” and “with a horror feel”. From there, we had more and more planning meetings, finalized the ideas that came out, and they had me put together and submit the tentative draft for this project.


Again, not to say you cannot take issue with this approach, but it's best to understand it's intentions.

KPK10 wrote:
Only good thing here is the story. We need an anime adaptation.


I like this game's story but I would be deeply deeply annoyed if after ghost game we got an anime based off this or some kind of digimon: thing but for 02 or any of the other seasons (much as I grow confident that won't happen). especially consider what makes the story more interesting than it could have been are the multiple routes and endings you can get, so a straight forward adaptation would be inherently inferior, and frankly, even if we did get anime ovas of it or something, I'd much rather take those resources and apply them to literally anything else


I just want a darker Digimon anime like Tamers was.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:23 pm Reply with quote
KPK10 wrote:


I just want a darker Digimon anime like Tamers was.
Well congrats, Ghost Game is darker than Tamers, ya got what ya wanted. Sure there's no over arching story as its episodic, but it pulls it off well. And seriously, is way darker than Tamers was. Not that tamers doesn't have some very dark moments, but no humans died in Tamers, Ghost Game has humans dying and other horrifying things happening to them. In both Tamers and GG we see Digimon dying, heck, one literately died and came back as a zombie that just eats, sad episode right there :( And ofc, we see many other examples of dark stuff including the horror theme of each ep. Also, Tamers wasn't really dark till around or near the end of it, u have a LOT of fluff (including episodic format eps) for half of the show and yet people never ever mention this and only talk about how dark Tamers was. I get it, it was dark, left an impression on ya, darker than the other series including what came after till GG, but lets not kid ourselves that its only dark. Tamers was my fav Digimon anime for a long time, but i quite like GG, its fresh, feels new, love the approach to horror here and yeah I'd like it to have an over arching story besides the mystery of Hiro's Dad, Gammamon and the BlackTailmon that shows up from time to time but long as u don't expect it and pace urself, u'r in for a good time. I'd say Tamers and GG r my fav series atm, even if they're both very dif from each other.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:03 am Reply with quote
Villain-chan wrote:
KPK10 wrote:


I just want a darker Digimon anime like Tamers was.
Well congrats, Ghost Game is darker than Tamers, ya got what ya wanted. Sure there's no over arching story as its episodic, but it pulls it off well. And seriously, is way darker than Tamers was. Not that tamers doesn't have some very dark moments, but no humans died in Tamers, Ghost Game has humans dying and other horrifying things happening to them. In both Tamers and GG we see Digimon dying, heck, one literately died and came back as a zombie that just eats, sad episode right there Sad And ofc, we see many other examples of dark stuff including the horror theme of each ep. Also, Tamers wasn't really dark till around or near the end of it, u have a LOT of fluff (including episodic format eps) for half of the show and yet people never ever mention this and only talk about how dark Tamers was. I get it, it was dark, left an impression on ya, darker than the other series including what came after till GG, but lets not kid ourselves that its only dark. Tamers was my fav Digimon anime for a long time, but i quite like GG, its fresh, feels new, love the approach to horror here and yeah I'd like it to have an over arching story besides the mystery of Hiro's Dad, Gammamon and the BlackTailmon that shows up from time to time but long as u don't expect it and pace urself, u'r in for a good time. I'd say Tamers and GG r my fav series atm, even if they're both very dif from each other.


Ok... then I want a dark Digimon anime with an overarching story. I do like GG tho
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:48 pm Reply with quote
I'll play this one for sure.

I have gotten more into Digimon again after playing both stories in Cyber Sleuth and watching Ghost Game.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:17 pm Reply with quote
Villain-chan wrote:
Well congrats, Ghost Game is darker than Tamers, ya got what ya wanted. Sure there's no over arching story as its episodic, but it pulls it off well. And seriously, is way darker than Tamers was.
Personally as a long time Digimon fan and someone who's favorite season is Tamers and is also enjoying Ghost Game, I don't understand the fixation people have on Digimon being "dark." Digmon is still primarily a medium for children and it's never going to be all out edgy and gruesome like some fans want it to be. And Digimon is not even that particularly unique for being a kid's show with dark undertones. Like there's lots of kid's medium with dark themes like Don Bluth films, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, even Disney movies have characters who die in their films all the time, and most YA books have some darkness to them. Both Tamers and Ghost Game are primarily kid shows who's purpose is to sell toys and games and it would be better for Digimon fandom to stop selling something being dark as the man selling point of a Digimon title. People want more substance from stories than that and fans are going to turn away newcomers from the brand obsessing over which season is the darkest when at the end of the day it makes no real difference to Toei and Bandai's pockets.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:36 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
Personally as a long time Digimon fan and someone who's favorite season is Tamers and is also enjoying Ghost Game, I don't understand the fixation people have on Digimon being "dark.".


Part of the fixation is the belief that dark equals"mature". Some also want the shows or content they grew up with to "grow up" with them as well. This is a sentiment I can somewhat understand but it often ignores that (1) dark=/= mature, and (2) those shows, as they are, probably appeal to a wide age group already.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:40 pm Reply with quote
Hal14 wrote:


Part of the fixation is the belief that dark equals"mature". Some also want the shows or content they grew up with to "grow up" with them as well. This is a sentiment I can somewhat understand but it often ignores that (1) dark=/= mature, and (2) those shows, as they are, probably appeal to a wide age group already.
Digimon fans who want it "dark" should watch NaruTaru.
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