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igiari21
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:18 pm
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I don't even know who half of these people are... Shame that Discotek continues to use Sound Cadence. Discotek does great work and the dubs never rise above mediocre IMO.
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GATSU
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:24 pm
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So, is Gunbuster still edited?
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:27 pm
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I personally think the dub sounds solid so far and I'm glad when dubbing studios hire new talent instead of just using the same popular voice actors all the time. And there's still some fan favorites in this dub like Lisa Ortiz and Cristina Vee.
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louis6578
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:54 pm
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Honestly, I'm looking forward to this. Hopefully they'll dub Diebuster too.
Some people are saying that the dub will be mediocre, but I don't see the dub ever going below the standard quality we had back in the 90s. At worst it'll be okay. Worst case scenario, it ends up sounding like a 90s dub, which'll just add to the nostalgia factor since it's an 80s OVA.
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boldulysses
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:25 pm
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louis6578 wrote: | Honestly, I'm looking forward to this. Hopefully they'll dub Diebuster too.
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YES. Diebuster is a work of art as far as I'm concerned. A dub would be glorious.
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v_i
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:20 am
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GATSU wrote: | So, is Gunbuster still edited? |
Depends on which edit you're referring to. Technically, every single release, barring the original Japanese VHS is edited, as the had to airbrush out some of the nudity in the bath scene, or potentially face an obscenity charge.
The second set of edits refers to those made for the UK release. Kiseki made a few minor edits to prevent a BBFC 18, and they exist only on their VHS and DVD release, and do not apply to any US or Japanese release.
The next set of edits likely refers to the changes to the music that exist in all releases from the 2007 US release onward. These were made for legal reasons, and Discotek has confirmed there here to stay, and they have no control over it.
The final set of edits refers to the changes in audio made for the BD. As the M&Es track for Gunbuster is gone, they re-recorded some of the music and special effects for the new 5.1 mix. As this is the only way the dub exists (and why one hasn't been made until now), those changes will be present in the dub. It is unclear if the original Japanese audio track (minus the 2007 music changes) will be included at this time.
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MagicPolly
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:27 am
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Sound Cadence has done a lot of good work recently, so I'm excited to hear what they do with Gunbuster. Marissa Lenti directed the dub of Kageki Shoujo which I just finished (very late) and that dub was excellent. New talent doesn't necessarily mean bad talent.
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v_i
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:38 am
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igiari21 wrote: | I don't even know who half of these people are... Shame that Discotek continues to use Sound Cadence. Discotek does great work and the dubs never rise above mediocre IMO. |
The short answer is cost. The long answer is also cost, but it gets a bit more complicated.
The sad truth is that there are significantly less studios dubbing anime then there used to be, and a good chunk of those left are owned by (or almost exclusively work with) Discotek's competitors.
Your options for dubbing anime right now, assuming you're not Funiroll (In-house, Okatron 5000, Studio Nano), Sentai (Seraphim Productions), or Netflix (VSI) are essentially the following:
NYAV Post (expensive) {Discotek has worked with them on Memories}
Studiopolis (expensive)
Bang Zoom (very expensive)
Kocha Sound (even more greenhorn than Sound Cadence)
Iyuno • SDI (they're infamous for a reason)
TAJ is gone, DuArt is gone, Animaze is gone, Intersound is gone, Coastal Carolina is gone, New Generation and PCB Productions really only does games now, Ocean hasn't done anime in forever, and Salami only seems to do an anime every few years. The hard truth is that anime dubbing just doesn't make money unless you're doing it on the super cheap. And this isn't new. Kevin Seymour famously said Animaze never made money on a single anime they dubbed. Short of funding a dubbing studio themselves (and that worked out so well for Media Blasters), Discotek's hands are tied if they want dubs on the cheap (or even just not outrageously expensive).
Note that none of this applies to Lupin III or Case Closed, as TMS handles the dubbing of those themselves, and tend to chose the expensive California dubs for them.
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v_i
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:47 am
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MagicPolly wrote: | Sound Cadence has done a lot of good work recently, so I'm excited to hear what they do with Gunbuster. Marissa Lenti directed the dub of Kageki Shoujo which I just finished (very late) and that dub was excellent. New talent doesn't necessarily mean bad talent. |
Agreed. All talent is new talent at one point. And sometimes they knock it out of the park on their first major role (Lisa Ortiz as Deedlit in Record of Lodoss War, Crispin Freeman as Tylor in The Irresponsible Captain Tylor, Aaron Dismuke as Alphonse in Fullmetal Alchemist, just to name a few)
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GNPixie
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:29 am
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v_i wrote: | Ocean hasn't done anime in forever |
Vanguard OverDress was just last year though?
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v_i
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:30 am
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GNPixie wrote: |
v_i wrote: | Ocean hasn't done anime in forever |
Vanguard OverDress was just last year though? |
I stand corrected! My point still stands in that they're doing far, far less anime then they used to.
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GATSU
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:13 am
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v_i: FFS, that Chariots cue is Fair Use . Married with Children had that song, and no one lawyered up over it.
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v_i
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:15 am
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GATSU wrote: | v_i: FFS, that Chariots cue is Fair Use . Married with Children had that song, and no one lawyered up over it. |
Except "fair use" isn't a thing in Japan, and Japanese companies are the ones deciding what can and cannot be included on the Discotek release. Discotek not including it isn't because they fear getting sued, it because their Japanese licensor said it was off limits because they fear getting sued.
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GATSU
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:23 am
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V_i: But they don't mind going to jail for tax fraud.
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v_i
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:26 am
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GATSU wrote: | V_i: But they don't mind going to jail for tax fraud. |
Except Gainax isn't even involved anymore. Gaina owns the rights to Gunbuster now. You can blame the initial 2007 removal on them, but a separate, not-tax-fraud-commting company is the current owners, and presumably the ones that told Discotek "no" to the original soundtrack, not that they could include it in the dub anyway, because it's based on the Japanese remaster.
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