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CelticMutt
Joined: 24 Sep 2021
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 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:33 pm
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It was amazing watching Uchikoshi dunk on idiot bigoted weebs who have fetishized the idea of Japan as a monolithic nation that has forced out all non-conformists that make the bigots uncomfortable.
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OtomeGay
Joined: 14 Oct 2021
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:35 pm
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What a cool guy! I was waiting for the right time to pick up AI: The Somnium Files, and now seems perfect!
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
Joined: 04 Jul 2013
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:37 pm
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The game itself (the sequel, not the original which I hold dear) was one hell of a disappointment but Uchikoshi himself remains quite based. I'm happy with that
| Jessica Hart wrote: | | I can see why the game flopped now. |
I'm curious what your definition of "flopped" is, because the game sold within the expected parameters and even got a sequel. I can assure you the people it concerns do not care that it didn't sell like hotcakes, and the fans don't either
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MagicPolly
Joined: 26 Nov 2020
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:38 pm
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Uchikoshi woke up and chose violence that day, good for him
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wolf10
Joined: 23 Jan 2016
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:43 pm
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I'm privately chuckling at the idea of a non-binary AI (programmer joke!), but on a more serious note, agender is under that particular umbrella, so it's not incorrect.
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Touma55
Joined: 22 May 2021
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:45 pm
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| Jessica Hart wrote: | | I can see why the game flopped now. |
Just like the first one. Nobody in Japan cares about these games. The fact that these games only sell in the west almost makes me wonder how much he even cares about the LGBTQ+ community and how much he is just trying to get more sales.
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JoelBurger
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:47 pm
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| Touma55 wrote: |
| Jessica Hart wrote: | | I can see why the game flopped now. |
Just like the first one. Nobody in Japan cares about these games. The fact that these games only sell in the west almost makes me wonder how much he even cares about the LGBTQ+ community and how much he is just trying to get more sales. |
Or he just has genuine beliefs and is able to articulately express them to bigots whose best attempts at expression are "attack helicopter". Crazy I know.
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
Joined: 04 Jul 2013
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:51 pm
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| Touma55 wrote: |
| Jessica Hart wrote: | | I can see why the game flopped now. |
Just like the first one. Nobody in Japan cares about these games. The fact that these games only sell in the west almost makes me wonder how much he even cares about the LGBTQ+ community and how much he is just trying to get more sales. |
I can see how someone could think this if those elements were marketed beforehand (they'd be wrong, but I get it), but you would only know about them if you played the game, and several are rather sizable spoilers only revealed late into the story that most fans wouldn't talk about openly to non-fans. So.
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Touma55
Joined: 22 May 2021
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:51 pm
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| JoelBurger wrote: | | Or he just has genuine beliefs and is able to articulately express them to bigots whose best attempts at expression are "attack helicopter". Crazy I know. |
Yeah sorry I see way too many people and companies that are just trying to virtue single. They don't all genuinely care about us you know. Forgive me for being skeptical.
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BonusStage
Joined: 24 Oct 2011
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:55 pm
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| CelticMutt wrote: | | It was amazing watching Uchikoshi dunk on idiot bigoted weebs who have fetishized the idea of Japan as a monolithic nation that has forced out all non-conformists that make the bigots uncomfortable. |
Generalizations are not proven wrong by the existence of a handful of exceptions. I think the fact these games sold so poorly in Japan and only found some form of niche success in the English speaking community should indicate that much. As a general rule when a Japanese creator mainly communicates with the English fandom that alone should showcase that the contents in their work are not widely appealing to the average Japanese gamer, much like when the anime director for Stars Align's asked the English speaking fanbase to support his show and save it rather than the Japanese fanbase which presumably was non-existent. People often say things like feminist groups and LGBT activists exist in Japan too, but that always missed the point. Yes, they do exist in Japan but they hold almost no power or influence like in American media.
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JoelBurger
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:57 pm
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| Touma55 wrote: |
| JoelBurger wrote: |
| Touma55 wrote: |
| Jessica Hart wrote: | | I can see why the game flopped now. |
Just like the first one. Nobody in Japan cares about these games. The fact that these games only sell in the west almost makes me wonder how much he even cares about the LGBTQ+ community and how much he is just trying to get more sales. |
Or he just has genuine beliefs and is able to articulately express them to bigots whose best attempts at expression are "attack helicopter". Crazy I know. |
Yeah sorry I see way too many people and companies that are just trying to virtue single. They don't all genuinely care about us you know. Forgive me for being skeptical. |
Uchikoshi isn't a company, and this isn't something new. He included LGBTQ+ affirmative stuff in AI three years ago, and his response to people complaining about it was literally doubling the amount of times Mizuki goes on a monologue about it. Skepticism at this point is not warranted in the slightest, and more a sign of what you want to believe (that anybody expressing love and care for oppressed peoples as "virtue signalers") than anything about Uchikoshi or anybody else.
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FunkyDude88
Joined: 01 Oct 2021
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:08 pm
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Why is it always the the people in any given industry with the least amount of success who have the biggest mouths and preach the most? Trying to prove something, I guess? There should be a term for creators who spend more time on Twitter "dunking" on critics than actually doing work. The people who get more likes on a hot take tweet than they got sales for their work. Gail Simone Syndrome, perhaps?
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JoelBurger
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:14 pm
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| Touma55 wrote: | | I said people too not just companies. The fact that he doubled the amount just makes me believe it even more. And don't hit me with that bullshit about anybody expressing love and care. People fake that shit ALL OF THE TIME! Believe me I know! Maybe everyone you have interacted with is genuine but that sure as hell hasn't been my experience. |
Hence why I included the part about this being nothing new for Uchikoshi. The only "bullshit" here is your personal decision to think that any outpouring of support must be fake, which is one of two things: an absolutely depressing way to live, or a way to obfuscate your own hate by veiling any support as somehow "wrong".
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Touma55
Joined: 22 May 2021
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:20 pm
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| Touma55 wrote: | | I said people too not just companies. The fact that he doubled the amount just makes me believe it even more. And don't hit me with that bullshit about anybody expressing love and care. People fake that shit ALL OF THE TIME! Believe me I know! Maybe everyone you have interacted with is genuine but that sure as hell hasn't been my experience. |
Hence why I included the part about this being nothing new for Uchikoshi. The only "bullshit" here is your personal decision to think that any outpouring of support must be fake, which is one of two things: an absolutely depressing way to live, or a way to obfuscate your own hate by veiling any support as somehow "wrong". |
You say nothing new, but having it in one previous game not long ago doesn't mean much. And I didn't say I thought it was 100% fake I said I was skeptical which I think it is prefectly fine to be. I'm guessing you haven't been treated poorly for being a part of the community have you? If you have then I don't know how you are so quick to believe some of these people especially ones trying to sell you something.
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
Joined: 04 Jul 2013
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:25 pm
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| FunkyDude88 wrote: | | Why is it always the the people in any given industry with the least amount of success who have the biggest mouths and preach the most? Trying to prove something, I guess? There should be a term for creators who spend more time on Twitter "dunking" on critics than actually doing work. The people who get more likes on a hot take tweet than they got sales for their work. Gail Simone Syndrome, perhaps? |
If a bigot goes out of their way to confront a creator about including progressive themes or elements in their story and shame them for doing so, and they get "dunked" on, that is their own fault and nothing else, to say nothing of the fact that Uckihoshi was about as polite as he could possibly be.
Also I can tell you have no idea who this article is about because if you did, you would know Uchikoshi has been working on a number of projects these last several years, so no, he isn't sacrificing any time on his work for this
Also, FYI, I know for a fact that you and several others here wouldn't be saying anything about "preaching" if this man was pushing right-wing views instead of leftist ones.
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