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noblesse oblige
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 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:44 pm
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This is why I canceled my Netflix subscription. No Nintendo games for me this year either, I guess.
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ErikaD.D
Joined: 09 Jun 2019
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:08 am
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It may sounds dumb but I noticed the anime community is silent on Russia invade and attack Ukraine, seems like the anime community is on neutral side. Netflix suspends it's streamimg service in Russia while Crunchyroll and Wakanim isn't.
I find it sad that Russia is started to become another North Korea, I feel like ordinary Russians will be affected by sanctions instead evil Russian government.
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Banjo
Joined: 13 Dec 2010
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:46 am
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Russians would care if they blocked steam. Not that I agree with such moves.
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WANNFH
Joined: 13 Mar 2011
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:52 am
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| ErikaD.D wrote: | | It may sounds dumb but I noticed the anime community is silent on Russia invade and attack Ukraine, seems like the anime community is on neutral side. Netflix suspends it's streamimg service in Russia while Crunchyroll and Wakanim isn't. |
They just don't care much about it at all - cause even with the suspension of the services, most of RU/CIS anime community mostly revolve around the piracy sites and fansubbing/fandubbing, while the subscription services are started to grow only in recent years and still way more inferior in their licensing compared to the West.
Also by the whole irony - Crunchyroll bringing old licensed anime titles like Miyazaki movies in the Russian cinema theaters, while every major cinema production studio already suspended showing any major releases there.
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WANNFH
Joined: 13 Mar 2011
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:54 am
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| Banjo wrote: | | Russians would care if they blocked steam. Not that I agree with such moves. |
They did it already a few days ago, along with all game console services. You can only buy the games on Steam in Russia by your Steam wallet - and to replenish it people need to go through the loopholes, since credit cards use and Paypal use is suspended too.
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Blazi
Joined: 25 Oct 2021
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:50 am
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I seriously don't understand these suspendings, why punish the Russian people when it's the government at fault? It makes no sense.
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WANNFH
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:16 am
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| Blazi wrote: | | I seriously don't understand these suspendings, why punish the Russian people when it's the government at fault? It makes no sense. |
A very Western politics way of thinking of making the people go revolt against the government by just the deprivation of the services to common people, while also cutting down the profits of the government in the way of paying taxes to it by western companies. And the actual problem is not that they "punish" the Russian people - because most of them are actually seen enough economical crisis situations literally since the division of the USSR, and will just make even more loopholes to counter. The problem is that everything that they do is actually bites them back (when even common people inside the US already see the crisis of these sanctions in the form of fuel price crisis), along with collateral damage to the countries which are not sanctioned at all and have nothing the do with the current conflicts - but still depend on the economy of Russia to live (mostly the CIS-affiliated Central Asia countries).
I'd rather take care of what they all have to do after the conflict is over, no matter the outcome - and they have to go back to the market. Restoring the reputation among the people will sure not come as easy as they think - even if many people understand these decisions are mostly not dictated by the higher-ups of companies, but also by political lobbies from outside.
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09jcg
Joined: 19 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:54 am
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| Blazi wrote: | | I seriously don't understand these suspendings, why punish the Russian people when it's the government at fault? It makes no sense. |
The goal is to squeeze Russia to make the war unpopular. Short of entering into a shooting war with Russia, it's literally the only way to apply enough Pressure to stop Russias invasion. It may not work, but it's better than doing nothing.
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WANNFH
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 5:19 am
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| 09jcg wrote: | | The goal is to squeeze Russia to make the war unpopular. Sjort of entering into a shooting war with Russia, it's literally the only way to apply enough Pressure to stop Russias invasion. It may not work, but it's better than doing nothing. |
The thing is - is it actually works better than doing nothing?
Sanctions that actually make sense in the terms of the macroeconomy, like the import bans, can actually hit a country's government (despite what they do now have a dual-edge issue and affect the people who issue the sanctions, now with the US even bringing in this conflicts people who they not even considered legitimate a few years ago, like Venezuela Maduro's government just to recover with the current fuel price crisis) - but throwing out even more tantrum actually do the opposite and works in the Putin favor instead, making him do less work to establish the government with clear nationalistic ideology support like CCP - cause anything that comes from the Western sides is just simply going away from the market with the dirt on their reputation.
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Amiantos
Joined: 30 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 5:28 am
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| ErikaD.D wrote: | | It may sounds dumb but I noticed the anime community is silent on Russia invade and attack Ukraine, seems like the anime community is on neutral side. Netflix suspends it's streamimg service in Russia while Crunchyroll and Wakanim isn't.
I find it sad that Russia is started to become another North Korea, I feel like ordinary Russians will be affected by sanctions instead evil Russian government. |
Honestly best to stay quiet and not have any dumb takes than to say uninformed stuff. Most people I know who watch anime do it just to get away from reality so they don't have a grasp on everything going on.
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09jcg
Joined: 19 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 6:47 am
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| WANNFH wrote: |
| 09jcg wrote: | | The goal is to squeeze Russia to make the war unpopular. Sjort of entering into a shooting war with Russia, it's literally the only way to apply enough Pressure to stop Russias invasion. It may not work, but it's better than doing nothing. |
The thing is - is it actually works better than doing nothing?
Sanctions that actually make sense in the terms of the macroeconomy, like the import bans, can actually hit a country's government (despite what they do now have a dual-edge issue and affect the people who issue the sanctions, now with the US even bringing in this conflicts people who they not even considered legitimate a few years ago, like Venezuela Maduro's government just to recover with the current fuel price crisis) - but throwing out even more tantrum actually do the opposite and works in the Putin favor instead, making him do less work to establish the government with clear nationalistic ideology support like CCP - cause anything that comes from the Western sides is just simply going away from the market with the dirt on their reputation. |
I don't view it as a tantrum. Actions have consequences, and the Russian state bit off more than it can chew. As mothers and children are being blown up, Russian society is being cut off culturally and economicaly. It's unfortunate but as the Bolshivik Revolution showed us, a nation only exists if the people let it exists. If the Russian people want this to end then they should do something about Putin. Otherwise they will continue to be international pariahs.
Edit: It should also be mentioned that these companies pulling out probably has as much to do with the macroeconomic sanctions you mentioned than anything else With their banks cut off I imagine the logistics of financial transactions between anyone in Russia and the companies in question is practicaly impossible. You can't use the Nintendo e shop if you can't use a credit card.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 7:27 am
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This is pretty much seeing the end of glastnost (sp?) in reverse. The culture and products we all take for granted being freely available in Russia was symbolic of the end of the Iron Curtain, and now here we are, taking people’s access away. I get WHY, both from symbolic and practical POV’s, but it’s still striking to see, and proof that the normalcy that was promised by the end of the Cold War has been shattered.
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Electric Wooloo
Joined: 19 Aug 2020
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:01 am
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| WANNFH wrote: |
| 09jcg wrote: | | The goal is to squeeze Russia to make the war unpopular. Sjort of entering into a shooting war with Russia, it's literally the only way to apply enough Pressure to stop Russias invasion. It may not work, but it's better than doing nothing. |
The thing is - is it actually works better than doing nothing?
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Yes? There's a run on the Banks in Russia and the Ruble has hit record lows
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WANNFH
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:04 am
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| 09jcg wrote: | | I don't view it as a tantrum. Actions have consequences, and the Russian state bit off more than it can chew. As mothers and children are being blown up, Russian society is being cut off culturally and economicaly. It's unfortunate but as the Bolshivik Revolution showed us, a nation only exists if the people let it exists. If the Russian people want this to end then they should do something about Putin. Otherwise they will continue to be international pariahs. |
The thing is - it's not 1917 anymore, and most of the Russians and people who live in the former USSR countries exactly know how to live when they are being cut off from most of the world - cause they lived exactly like that for decades before the late 1980s. And if they aren't or born later than that, they remember the financial crisis of 1998. And even if they don't remember this, they remember the financial crisis of 2008, where the US got the main role. They had too many lessons to know how to deal with financial struggles without revolting, and they had too much time living with the economical sanctions either (like really, they have the never-ending sanctions from 2014, since the Crimea memorandum) while being inspired by the current nationalistic propagandism and have the territorial conflict for years.
| 09jcg wrote: | | It should also be mentioned that these companies pulling out probably has as much to do with the macroeconomic sanctions you mentioned than anything else With their banks cut off I imagine the logistics of financial transactions between anyone in Russia and the companies in question is practically impossible. You can't use the Nintendo Eshop if you can't use a credit card. |
Exactly. Most of the companies don't really choose that for themselves, they just cannot get the money they earn because of the sanctions on the bank operations and payment systems that are supposed to be middleware between the customer and company. And now it's just one big game between the current Western lobbies, which inspired that kind of tantrums, and the Russian government - in how much they can wait before their image of the world is going to burn.
| Quote: | | Yes? There's a run on the Banks in Russia and the Ruble has hit record lows |
That's mostly the effect of the same macroeconomic sanctions though, not the mass exodus of the companies. And heck - while the ruble hit the low, the actual prices of oil and gas, which are the most prominent export business in Russia, only gets higher and higher to fill the wallets of the Putin government - while US and EU have the problems to get anything to cover for it, which basically lead the common people of the same countries that lead the sanctions to the same economical crisis.
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SHD
Joined: 05 Apr 2015
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:51 am
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| WANNFH wrote: |
| 09jcg wrote: | | The goal is to squeeze Russia to make the war unpopular. Sjort of entering into a shooting war with Russia, it's literally the only way to apply enough Pressure to stop Russias invasion. It may not work, but it's better than doing nothing. |
The thing is - is it actually works better than doing nothing? |
Yes, it does. Have you been following the news at all?
Netflix, Nintendo, McDonald's et al withdrawing from Russia is just a corporate gesture, something they do partly because social pressure, and partly because Russia not being part of SWIFT anymore makes it more difficult to handle revenue. Obviously it's not Netflix/etc. leaving that would force anything to happen. (lol, Russians revolting over losing Netflix! who cares about bread when you've lost streaming!) However, it does put a pressure on Russian leadership. Even though Putin himself probably doesn't give a damn, and his oligarchs are too dependent on him to say anything no matter how much money they lose, all these withdrawals have a cumulative effect of upsetting the financial world enough to push Russian economy more and more down the slope, forcing Russian leadership to react. It's absolutely terrible for the average Russian citizens, I know many personally who are good-hearted people opposing the war who have been screwed by this. But even so, there's no point in half-assing these sort of things, you either go all-out, or you might as well not do anything.
And for disclosure I'm not saying this as someone completely unaffected: my country's economy has very strong ties to and dependency on Russia (thanks to our Dear Leader being Putin's most ardent fanboy) and so our own economy is kind of tanking right now as well. (If you think the Ruble is in freefall you should've seen the Forint on Monday.) But the longer the war continues the worse it's going to be, not just during but also after the war, whatever may be its outcome.
| WANNFH wrote: | | That's mostly the effect of the same macroeconomic sanctions though, not the mass exodus of the companies. And heck - while the ruble hit the low, the actual prices of oil and gas, which are the most prominent export business in Russia, only gets higher and higher to fill the wallets of the Putin government - while US and EU have the problems to get anything to cover for it, which basically lead the common people of the same countries that lead the sanctions to the same economical crisis. |
The US has announced just today (my time) that they'll ban import of Russian oil/gas, and the EU has also announced steps to drastically reduce Russian oil and gas import. So there's that. Obviously they tried to postpone this step for as long as possible because it's going to have very serious effects on the EU as well (much less so for the US), but they are making the first steps now.
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