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INTEREST: Titan Comics Unveils Covers For Cowboy Bebop Comic Issue #1


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Mamono Hunter Yo Bro





PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:13 pm Reply with quote
Looks like they're really making their own version. They aren't even making song references with the titles of these books, but it looks like it can be an issue to do rights and all that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:56 pm Reply with quote
This seems absolutely bizarre to me. An American comic spinoff of the anime property.
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Mamono Hunter Yo Bro





PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:24 pm Reply with quote
Sewingrose wrote:
This seems absolutely bizarre to me. An American comic spinoff of the anime property.

It's Robotech all over again.
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GracieLizzy



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:36 pm Reply with quote
Mamono Hunter Yo Bro wrote:
Sewingrose wrote:
This seems absolutely bizarre to me. An American comic spinoff of the anime property.

It's Robotech all over again.


And Dirty Pair.
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Maciste



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:39 pm Reply with quote
To be honest, I think those covers are not drawn very well and kind of ugly.
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Likou



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:17 pm Reply with quote
Why the hell they have wanted posters? They are the bounty hunters. They haven't watched the source material, have they?
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R. Kasahara



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:41 pm Reply with quote
GracieLizzy wrote:
Mamono Hunter Yo Bro wrote:
Sewingrose wrote:
This seems absolutely bizarre to me. An American comic spinoff of the anime property.

It's Robotech all over again.


And Dirty Pair.

This stuff has been going on since the Astro Boy days, though it is funny to see that it can still happen here in the year 2021.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:16 pm Reply with quote
Likou wrote:
Why the hell they have wanted posters? They are the bounty hunters. They haven't watched the source material, have they?


I'm pretty sure the artist watched the original manga dude.

Them making a wanted poster filled variant cover doesn't mean they haven't.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:31 pm Reply with quote
I'm generally content to just ignore the live-action Netflix version of Cowboy Bebop and anything to do with it but I have to ask, are there still enough floppy comic collectors out there to warrant all of those variant covers or are comic book stores going to be left with a lot of unsold inventory?

Even if I was interested in the comic, I'd wait for the Trade Paperback.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:43 pm Reply with quote
Maciste wrote:
To be honest, I think those covers are not drawn very well and kind of ugly.
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Agreed.

They fail to even capture the actors likeness let alone the characters.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:59 pm Reply with quote
Tenchi wrote:
I'm generally content to just ignore the live-action Netflix version of Cowboy Bebop and anything to do with it but I have to ask, are there still enough floppy comic collectors out there to warrant all of those variant covers or are comic book stores going to be left with a lot of unsold inventory?


That's the main point of variant covers: to inflate shipment numbers. In order to receive the floppies with the alternative covers, comic book stores have to order a certain amount of product to get them. It incentivizes overbuying and overshipping to pad numbers. Sadly it's a been a common way for comic books to stay afloat for decades now. And some people do obsessively collect every cover that comes out, either out of habitual addiction or collectors thinking they'll be worth something someday. It's been criticized as being a bit predatory.
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Mamono Hunter Yo Bro





PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:23 pm Reply with quote
Tenchi wrote:
Even if I was interested in the comic, I'd wait for the Trade Paperback.


Better yet, borrow it from your local library when it comes out. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:42 am Reply with quote
GracieLizzy wrote:
Mamono Hunter Yo Bro wrote:
Sewingrose wrote:
This seems absolutely bizarre to me. An American comic spinoff of the anime property.

It's Robotech all over again.


And Dirty Pair.


Adam Warren did a fantastic job with the Dirty Pair franchise. So much so, that I liked his Dirty Pair over the Japanese one.
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GeorgeC



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:30 am Reply with quote
Mamono Hunter Yo Bro wrote:
Sewingrose wrote:
This seems absolutely bizarre to me. An American comic spinoff of the anime property.

It's Robotech all over again.


No, the situation is different.

When Robotech broadcast in the mid-1980s, there was no way broadcast standards & practices would let Macross or either of the other 2 series that made up Robotech air in the West without changes. They also had to accommodate general syndication practices that dictated the show run at least 65 episodes (which was later reduced to 52 episodes for future series running in syndication). The 65-episode rule was why those 3 series were meshed into Robotech in the first place. Those are indisputable historical points no matter how you feel about the end product. Most of you are well under 30 now and don't understand the reality of TV pre-streaming, pre-cable. The mid-1990s DiC adapation of Sailor Moon (1995) was altered far more drastically than Macross was for Robotech (1985).

It wasn't until home video of anime started making an impact in the US home video market in the 1990s (mostly on VHS tape) that they could contemplate releasing a lot of the older shows unedited. They no longer had to syndicate these shows for them to be seen. The thing is until the DVD days of the early 2000s, it was a lot easier to air TV shows on TV (and later Cartoon Network until streaming became a thing) and sell single shot OVAs or movies on home media. Not all the anime TV series that aired were big hits -- Dragonball/DBZ failed in its first Western attempt, Sailor Moon bombed in the US, and shows like Ranma 1/2 with its subject matter were never going to air on mainstream TV or Cartoon Network (in the 1990s; today might be a different story but it would probably still be edited). Ranma 1/2 was the first long-term TV show (150+ episodes) launched on Western home media and it took 10 years and several cast changes to dub the whole series into English.

The situation with the Dirty Pair manga is different. It was licensed to various companies (first Eclipse Comics before it went bust, later Dark Horse) and it happened to be that Toren Smith and Adam Warren worked on the Western comic book version. Smith and Warren were both big anime/manga fans (part of the "first wave of HUGE anime fans" in the 1980s) and produced some good comics. I think Warren's art style was suited to original works. It was his own thing and not aping anybody else's style in particular and it just worked for Dirty Pair. He did around a half-dozen original Dirty Pair series and one-shots with and without Smith between the late 1980s and 1990s. They were all traded by Dark Horse.

Either way, it was the companies that owned or had the license to distribute Macross and Dirty Pair that agreed to accommodate changes and let those stand in the Western versions of these franchises.

Regardless of how you feel about the changes made in "Western editions" of anime shows, it's the Japanese producers who agree to license these properties in the first place. They'll continue to take the money unless too many IP's get bastardized too much. The thing is the "damage" done to these IP's won't generally impact in Japan much. Most Japanese will never see what was done to manga and anime outside their own country. The situation with Netflix is changing things up but the thing is international streaming is not as big in Japan. They're more resistant to changes in their viewing habits and still watch most of their anime censors series on TV networks (equivalent of ABC, NBC, CBS versus cable and satellite channels). They dislike the agendas Netflix promotes in its original product as well as licensed adaptations of anime.

As far as Cowboy Bebop goes, that's Netflix/Hollywood mentality. They'll never do a faithful adaptation. They were never going to. Not when they have their agendas and feel they can "improve" on the original material. You DO understand Hollywood is stripmining anime for ideas and that they feel they can negotiate deals to their advantage (ie, pay less money for existing IP's than they'd have to if they developed their own original IP's)? Netflix doesn't care about quality, about making shows that stand the test of time. They expect most of their subscribers to sit on their butts and take whatever they offer them. Oh, they care when things bomb but they don't understand what it is about their process that makes things fail on Netflix. Be glad the original Cowboy Bebop anime series is available on home media to own. Heck, you can watch the original Cowboy Bebop anime unedited on TubiTV for free now!

Battle Angel was a fluke and faithful adaptation because James Cameron wanted to do a faithful to the source adaptation.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:33 am Reply with quote
Maciste wrote:
To be honest, I think those covers are not drawn very well and kind of ugly.
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It's identical to those drawings people do, what if Anime character looked real.
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