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Hinotoumei
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so? like I get it and I personally agree that no one should be discriminated against based off gender, race , creed or relgion (or any other reason)
however, in Japan, and especially China, this is not the case. There are no laws protecting people in the lgbtq community (or at least not many) and trying to impose our way of thinking and living on a country IS DISCRIMINATION. |
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FireChick
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All the person wanted was to be treated with respect. Where do you see people trying to impose their way of thinking on a country? This article is explicitly calling out not just Toei's hypocrisy and oppressive business practices, but the issue of LGBT discrimination as a whole. Just because other countries don't have laws protecting anyone on the LGBT spectrum, it doesn't mean discrimination based on it should be allowed. |
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FinalVentCard
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Basic human rights are not just "our way of thinking", my dude. |
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Tempest
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1 - No one in the west is imposing their "way of thinking" on Japan in regards to this case. This is a case between a Japanese citizen, a Japanese Labor Union, and a Japanese corporation. ANN is merely reporting on the facts of the matter. I don't know where you get "imposing our way of thinking," from. 2 - While there is no "imposition of our way of thinking," in this case, I vehemently disagree with you regarding this subject. Pressuring other countries to respect human rights is the responsibility of all people who enjoy those human rights. Neither culture, nor religion are valid excuses for repressive behavior. Japan has relatively good freedom of speech, so these issues can, and should be lead by Japanese people, and they are. There are plenty of Japanese people campaigning for reforms to repressive policies. Foreigners can support them in a number of ways without "taking the lead." Last edited by Tempest on Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Top Gun
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...so trying to extend fundamental human rights to people in countries that remain utterly ass-backwards about said issues is now "discrimination"? Give me a goddamn break. |
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Blanchimont
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No, that's not what discrimination means; (Cambridge dictionary)
^ no imposing or enforcing included. And no-one foreign is imposing anything here, this is a dispute between an employer and union. Edit; Ninja'd by the posts above... |
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MisterLuck
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So people are calling Toei Animation discriminatory against trans, because they won't accept this persons John Hancock for legal documents?
Can they not change their names on court documents in Japan, so an alias is their legal binding name? |
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Eddy564
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You’re obviously a troll, but I’ll humor you. Respecting someone’s identity and their livelihood isn’t some form of propaganda. To disagree with someone’s lifestyle, especially when it has no effect on your life, is not only weird, but incredibly foolish. |
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Tempest
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3 Posts within 65 seconds...
This is not quite true. Explicitly, the only thing the article does is report on the events, and quote those involved, as they were reported in Japanese . "A-san" and "B-San," gave statements that effectively accuse Toei of hypocrisy and we reported on those statements. If you follow @frog_kun on Twitter, her position on this issue is pretty obvious, but her job is to try to the best of her ability to keep that out her reporting. -t Last edited by Tempest on Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:14 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Kirki
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Can't people in Japan change their names officially? No ID cards? If the union says they'll send one person and then a person with a different name appears with no documentation, it would seem like they sent someone else on purpose.
But if the union confirms the identity of this person I still do not see where the problem is. Japan can be weird and this feels much like an excuse to avoid duscussion of the matter at hand. |
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penguintruth
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Toei is run by bullies and cheapskates.
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Tempest
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Name changes are possible in Japan and not especially challenging. I don't know if there are any hurdles in changing one's name to a name associated with a different gender. Changing one's legal gender status in Japan is quite hard. |
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Tempest
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This whole post is incredibly ignorant. LGBTQ Japanese people do have rights. They have the same rights as any other Japanese individual. This person is claiming that rights they have under the Japanese constitution and existing Tokyo law have been infringed upon. You really shouldn't be making statements about Japanese law if you know so little about it. The Japanese constitution forbids all forms of discrimination, and while this is widely accepted to include discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, there are no national laws explicitly addressing discrimination on these grounds. However this happened in Tokyo and Tokyo passed a law in 2018 explicitly making discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity illegal. So, when you say they have no rights as an LGBTQ person in Japan, you are wrong.
If that's what you are trying to say, frankly, you are wrong. [Misgendering fixed; thanks whiskeyii] Last edited by Tempest on Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:20 pm; edited 4 times in total |
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whiskeyii
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While I agree on all points, it should be "they" rather than "he", yes? |
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Heishi
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Not surprising.
Japan is not exactly a union friendly country given the horrible workplace environment. |
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