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doctordoom85
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:55 pm
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We all make mistakes and the best way to deal with them is to own up to them and learn from them and he's done just that. "Gender roles" are one of my bigger berserk buttons but I'll definitely forgive someone if they've learned to be more open-minded about men and women being capable of far more than what "society" and "tradition" try to limit them towards.
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nomyx
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:00 am
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saw this coming tbh
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Korogoro
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:50 am
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What he said was definitely wrong but it doesn't look to me like he was trying to be specifically sexist, I think it was just mistake. Anyway, good thing he apologized, hope he never does this again.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:53 am
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I'm delighted that Mr. Nishimura-san owned up to his comment and learned from his mistake.
That said, I, myself, have to issue an apology to Mr. Yonebayashi-san for my mistaking him as the guy making the sexist comment. I should've been more careful reading the article...
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Savion
Joined: 21 Jan 2016
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:06 am
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I'm glad he owned up realizing how harmful his words were and actually apologized.
Many people would just pull a "I'm sorry YOU'RE offended" rather than "I'm sorry I offended you". Anyone who's experienced a half-hearted or fake apology knows what I mean. I can't imagine what young female animators felt after hearing what he said so I hope they feel better.
I wonder where this will head because last time the conversation on here got pretty aggressive. If this man admitted he was wrong will the people here defending him earlier (when the story broke) still continue after this? I bet some are going to claim he was "censored" instead of realizing people can become more informed after backlash and change opinions lol.
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:40 am
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Just because he apologized doesn't mean he actually had a change of heart, especially if he was dogpiled on. It's the internet equivalent of that kid whose mom made him apologize to another kid. The whole statement seems pretty PR focused, especially making sure he's not affiliated with another company.
-Stuart Smith
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Snomaster1
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:49 am
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I read about his earlier comments and thought they were silly. Unfortunately,the comments were locked so I couldn't comment myself. I'm glad to see that he apologized. I admit,what this guy said was dumb,but also meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
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Razor/Edge
Joined: 05 Jun 2015
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:53 am
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Just a PR move to try and save his hide. I have no doubts he still has the same beliefs as when he made those comments.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:46 am
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Savion wrote: | If this man admitted he was wrong will the people here defending him earlier (when the story broke) still continue after this? I bet some are going to claim he was "censored" instead of realizing people can become more informed after backlash and change opinions lol. |
Many of the people defending him, were not defending him because they believed what he said, but because of the 'burn him alive and salt the earth' mentality.
As to your other comment, this is Japan, was he apologizing 'for' his company's sake or for himself, or for both? People don't become more informed after a fiery blacklash, they become scared and want to hide. Then they reflect on ensuring they are not going to be stepping in that frying pan again
I think us westerner's expectations are unrealistic. This has all the hallmarks of Imperialism. Where the superior society and culture subjugates the natives to bring forced enlightenment.
All I saw was western society and culture bringing the hammer down on one Japanese man, who was raised in a different society and culture. What he said was certainly wrong. But he wasn't making a political statement, but rather answering questions from westerners. Personally, I don't think anything positive was achieved by targeting one man to attack his society and culture. I would be more interested in what the Japanese public and the anime industry thought of these events.
Do they see this as a lesson in enlightenment or just, those darn Westerners again?
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dxthegreat
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:59 am
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Political correctness 101 states that the only difference between men and women are biological and the only superiority men can claim over women is that of brute physical strength.
It does not matter how much a man thinks or says women are better than him in general. If he violates this principle, he deserves shafting from feminists and media and should promptly be launched into the sun.
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:23 am
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Korogoro wrote: | What he said was definitely wrong but it doesn't look to me like he was trying to be specifically sexist |
That's the thing about sexism (and pretty much all prejudices, really), people tend not to consciously decide to be prejudiced, and usually think they're being fair. Sometimes the prejudice stems from being culturally ingrained, sometimes from mistaken assumptions.
It's common for people, when called on their prejudices, to automatically dig their heels in and insist that they're actually right, or everyone's being too sensitive, or whatever. It speaks well of his character that he's given a proper apology and does seem to be actually considering the idea that he had things wrong.
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Actar
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:07 am
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TarsTarkas wrote: |
Savion wrote: | If this man admitted he was wrong will the people here defending him earlier (when the story broke) still continue after this? I bet some are going to claim he was "censored" instead of realizing people can become more informed after backlash and change opinions lol. |
Many of the people defending him, were not defending him because they believed what he said, but because of the 'burn him alive and salt the earth' mentality. |
This. Honestly, I still think everyone was blowing the issue out of proportion, twisting his words and putting words in his mouth to deliberately demonize and make a villain out of him. Yes, it's complete bull that women have had to face much discrimination in the past and still do to some extent. However, that's not justification for excessive persecution and overreaction. I apologize if I can't get behind this whole "torch and pitchfork" herd mentality.
In the original article, Yonebayashi clearly used the words "tend to be". He was generalizing. Regardless of where the generalization stemmed from (be it cultural or from his personal experience/observation), no where did he say that women would not be picked or should not be picked if they showed the adequate skills or talents. He made a generalization and used the fact that all the directors that Ghibli hired in the past happened to be men to support his hypothesis. Nothing more, nothing less.
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AnimeLordLuis
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:24 am
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Well I can't say that I didn't see this coming especially after social media exploded with hate comments. Now he'll probably be in hiding until the heat dies down not that I would blame him for doing so.
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connysanada
Joined: 04 Apr 2015
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:08 am
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As I read in Battle Royale, all people are born equal.
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BurgerKing-201
Joined: 12 Jun 2014
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:31 am
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Well would you look at that, an opinion I don't like, time to make this man get on his knees and BEG for forgiveness. Honestly, isn't there better things that people can do with their lives? His comments were definitely sexist but can't someone have their own opinion without becoming a headline?
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