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zeo1fan
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 Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:42 pm
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Would the people in NASA REALLY have been telling her to get married rather than go into space, thought? Isn't it something she would've been training a large portion of her life for?
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Princess_Irene
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:14 pm
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It was the people at the Japanese space agency that told her that...and while I'd hope they wouldn't, I can't totally rule it out... 
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:37 pm
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East asian culture anyone? 
If I were Artemis, I'd be filing for devorce. 
That was a mean thing that happened to her, but the iceberg that is Rei would start to melt if the right boy came round. I loved the "alternate universe" last story best of the whole book, where the girls are allowed to have gotten married and/or pregnant and their offspring start following in their mothers' footsteps. That was my only issue with the whole original story. The Sailor Scouts' celibate devoution to Usagi.
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KENZICHI
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:49 pm
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Casa Blanca Memory was an interesting read and really makes me hope they give Rei her original personality in the new anime rather than the annoying one they gave her in the first one.
As for the last short I agree. But if I think of it as a parody rather than an actual story I don't mind it as much.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:48 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | East asian culture anyone?
If I were Artemis, I'd be filing for devorce.
That was a mean thing that happened to her, but the iceberg that is Rei would start to melt if the right boy came round. I loved the "alternate universe" last story best of the whole book, where the girls are allowed to have gotten married and/or pregnant and their offspring start following in their mothers' footsteps. That was my only issue with the whole original story. The Sailor Scouts' celibate devoution to Usagi. |
Why would that be an issue for you? It doesn't exactly seem uncommon that a warrior would swear their chastity to their ruler, and at that time a lot of Japanese women faced pressure to marry and children to further the family line, in a sense, preserving the family, as well as its immortality. So a bunch of female characters who choose to serve as soldiers rather than marrying and popping out babies was a pretty big deal.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:49 pm
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| Princess_Irene wrote: | It was the people at the Japanese space agency that told her that...and while I'd hope they wouldn't, I can't totally rule it out... |
But I thought it was NASA rather than the Japanese space agency. o_O
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:22 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: | |
Why would that be an issue for you? It doesn't exactly seem uncommon that a warrior would swear their chastity to their ruler, and at that time a lot of Japanese women faced pressure to marry and children to further the family line, in a sense, preserving the family, as well as its immortality. So a bunch of female characters who choose to serve as soldiers rather than marrying and popping out babies was a pretty big deal. |
Do you really think that is a good inspiration for a country where it's birth rate is in free fall? Even Roman soldiers had families, sometimes several. you might remember Venus, and Jupiter lamented that they wanted a love life, but gave up the idea when they remembered their vow to the Moon Princess, but that just made a nonsense of the scouts "regenerating" every generation. How can that be if there is no generation to regenerate from? The only way we are shown is when Saturn pops up as an infant after she closes the portal on the Dark Moon. Do all the others pop up this way too? Even Usagi who has a younger brother? Are they not blood related? See? Just too convoluted. Not a plot hole, but a canyon that never got explained.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:48 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | |
Why would that be an issue for you? It doesn't exactly seem uncommon that a warrior would swear their chastity to their ruler, and at that time a lot of Japanese women faced pressure to marry and children to further the family line, in a sense, preserving the family, as well as its immortality. So a bunch of female characters who choose to serve as soldiers rather than marrying and popping out babies was a pretty big deal. |
Do you really think that is a good inspiration for a country where it's birth rate is in free fall? Even Roman soldiers had families, sometimes several. you might remember Venus, and Jupiter lamented that they wanted a love life, but gave up the idea when they remembered their vow to the Moon Princess, but that just made a nonsense of the scouts "regenerating" every generation. How can that be if there is no generation to regenerate from? The only way we are shown is when Saturn pops up as an infant after she closes the portal on the Dark Moon. Do all the others pop up this way too? Even Usagi who has a younger brother? Are they not blood related? See? Just too convoluted. Not a plot hole, but a canyon that never got explained. |
It's not a common message in Japanese media that it's okay not to have kids. The reason the birth rate is on the decline is because of because of women being pressured to get married and have kids, but wanting to keep their careers. But also because of the emphasis on work, Japan's ability to turn each part of a relationship into a sellable commodity, the over-emphasis on taking care of the elderly, the emergence of 2D Girlfriends and boyfriends. The birth rate decline was caused by a lot of things, but a message that it's okay to not get married and not have kids was not one of them. And it's reincarnation, not regeneration. They don't need to reincarnate immediately after dying, nor do they even need to be related to their first incarnations. Princess Serenity died without ever having children and she found her way to a new body, pretty easily.
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jr240483
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:37 am
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| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Princess_Irene wrote: | It was the people at the Japanese space agency that told her that...and while I'd hope they wouldn't, I can't totally rule it out... |
But I thought it was NASA rather than the Japanese space agency. o_O |
that's is what i thought too cause that is how it was in the tokyopop releases.
either way , its explains why the S movie is the more liked movie over the R & super S movie considering its like a psuedo cannon material while the storylines for both the R and Super S movies felt more like their filler materials.
Though i am surprised that there wasnt any Stars movie.
The storyline of their children following in their parents footsteps would have been perfect.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:58 am
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| jr0904 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Princess_Irene wrote: | It was the people at the Japanese space agency that told her that...and while I'd hope they wouldn't, I can't totally rule it out... |
But I thought it was NASA rather than the Japanese space agency. o_O |
that's is what i thought too cause that is how it was in the tokyopop releases.
either way , its explains why the S movie is the more liked movie over the R & super S movie considering its like a psuedo cannon material while the storylines for both the R and Super S movies felt more like their filler materials.
Though i am surprised that there wasnt any Stars movie.
The storyline of their children following in their parents footsteps would have been perfect. |
I dunno. I didn't like the 'S' movie that much because it didn't really break up transformations or attacks well like the 'R' movie, nor did it forego the TV Series' special attack footage like the 'Super S Movie' mostly did. It doesn't have as good a flowing conflict as 'R' or 'Super S'.
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Neohybrid_kai
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:42 am
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The link to digik gallery is mistyped. That picture brings back memories. I used to have that artbook I wonder where I put that now
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:34 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: | | Princess Serenity died without ever having children and she found her way to a new body, pretty easily. |
Ah but did she? That to was a too vague to say. If she and the rest did die, then they were resurrected not reincarnated.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:17 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | | Princess Serenity died without ever having children and she found her way to a new body, pretty easily. |
Ah but did she? That to was a too vague to say. If she and the rest did die, then they were resurrected not reincarnated. |
Do you honestly think an unmarried Princess bore children for the royal family? O_O And no. Resurrection implies that they all just popped back up again somewhere in their teenage bodies rather than having their spirits reborn years later on Earth.
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TheFullmetalOne
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:37 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Princess_Irene wrote: | It was the people at the Japanese space agency that told her that...and while I'd hope they wouldn't, I can't totally rule it out... |
But I thought it was NASA rather than the Japanese space agency. o_O |
I'm more or less tempted to think it was a translation error on the part of Tokyopop. When they were first released in America, Manga was a relatively new thing in America, and things weren't translated as accurately as they are now (some may debate this notion, but that's beside the point I'm trying to make). The First American Woman in space was Sally Ride, aboard Challenger flight STS-7 (Jun. 18, 1983). Sailor Moon was first serialized in February 1992, a little under nine years later. Given her interest in Astronomy, I doubt Naoko Takeuchi would be oblivious to this, since it had to be big news at the time it happened. If it was indeed an error on Takeuchi-sensei's part, she either forgot about it, or despite the event, she didn't have a clear understanding of how gender politics worked in America at the time she wrote it, or possibly some other reason. I suppose that's a question that Takeuchi-sensei herself could answer. Admittedly this is speculation on my part, but at this point I can only work with the information I can access.  Perhaps someone else might be able to shed more light on this.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:41 pm
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| TheFullmetalOne wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Princess_Irene wrote: | It was the people at the Japanese space agency that told her that...and while I'd hope they wouldn't, I can't totally rule it out... |
But I thought it was NASA rather than the Japanese space agency. o_O |
I'm more or less tempted to think it was a translation error on the part of Tokyopop. When they were first released in America, Manga was a relatively new thing in America, and things weren't translated as accurately as they are now (some may debate this notion, but that's beside the point I'm trying to make). The First American Woman in space was Sally Ride, aboard Challenger flight STS-7 (Jun. 18, 1983). Sailor Moon was first serialized in February 1992, a little under nine years later. Given her interest in Astronomy, I doubt Naoko Takeuchi would be oblivious to this, since it had to be big news at the time it happened. If it was indeed an error on Takeuchi-sensei's part, she either forgot about it, or despite the event, she didn't have a clear understanding of how gender politics worked in America at the time she wrote it, or possibly some other reason. I suppose that's a question that Takeuchi-sensei herself could answer. Admittedly this is speculation on my part, but at this point I can only work with the information I can access. Perhaps someone else might be able to shed more light on this. |
Thanks for the info. Can anyone clarify further on this? :O
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