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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:41 pm Reply with quote
I just learned of the existence of a claymation television series based on the videogame Taiko Drum Master. I submitted the information to the encyclopedia, but will it not be added because it isn't 2D/Computer animation? Are there any other stop-motion animation entries in the encyclopedia, for that matter?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:13 pm Reply with quote
How is this related to anime?
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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:28 pm Reply with quote
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How is this related to anime?


It was animated in Japan.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:40 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
It was animated in Japan.


Yeah, and Gumby is made in the USA, so your answer is illogical. Next time, come up with a more valid reason to have a title included on the Encyclopedia (such as, "It's an adaptation of a manga by _____.").
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biliano



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:42 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
Are there any other stop-motion animation entries in the encyclopedia, for that matter?


Now that you mentioned it, I noticed that the "not anime but related" section of the Encyclopedia is unavailable. Are these entries no longer a part of the Encyclopedia, or are they just temporarily unavailable because of some technical issues?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:45 pm Reply with quote
areaseven wrote:
Wolverine Princess wrote:
It was animated in Japan.


Yeah, and Gumby is made in the USA, so your answer is illogical. Next time, come up with a more valid reason to have a title included on the Encyclopedia (such as, "It's an adaptation of a manga by _____.").


Cut her some slack; she's only 13 years old. Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:48 pm Reply with quote
biliano wrote:
Now that you mentioned it, I noticed that the "not anime but related" section of the Encyclopedia is unavailable. Are these entries no longer a part of the Encyclopedia, or are they just temporarily unavailable because of some technical issues?


The titles are still around, just not visible on the Encyclopedia directory. If you're looking for a particular title, use the Search function.
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biliano



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:07 pm Reply with quote
OK, let's try this again:

Wolverine Princess wrote:
Are there any other stop-motion animation entries in the encyclopedia, for that matter?


The closest series that I can think of that might be considered stop-motion is The Fuccons.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:12 pm Reply with quote
biliano wrote:
The closest series that I can think of that might be considered stop-motion is The Fuccons.


Now this I don't get. This Japanese animated stop-motion ("claymation") production is rejected because it's stop-motion (a legitimate form of animation), yet The Fuccons is admitted even though it's not even animation?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:17 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
I just learned of the existence of a claymation television series based on the videogame Taiko Drum Master. I submitted the information to the encyclopedia, but will it not be added because it isn't 2D/Computer animation? Are there any other stop-motion animation entries in the encyclopedia, for that matter?


Well Advent Children, Gundam MS IGLOO, and Galerians were summited into the Encyclopedia and they were CGI.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:37 pm Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
Now this I don't get. This Japanese animated stop-motion ("claymation") production is rejected because it's stop-motion (a legitimate form of animation), yet The Fuccons is admitted even though it's not even animation?


The Fuccons is in the Encyclopedia mainly because ANN had a contest for it late last year.
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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:46 pm Reply with quote
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Yeah, and Gumby is made in the USA, so your answer is illogical.


I don't think I made myself clear. I was asking if there were any other stop-motion Japanese animated series in the encyclopedia. I'm not implying that Gumby, Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeer, or any other North American stop-motion animations should be in the encyclopedia. The definition of anime is "Japanese animation", right? That's technically what this series is.

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Cut her some slack; she's only 13 years old. Wink


Nah, you guys can be as brutal as you want. Don't go easy on me if I'm 13 or 133. I like cynical, snarky people. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:57 pm Reply with quote
A similar topic was discussed here. I'd say clay animations have no place in the Encyc -- at least for now. Also check out 17283, A7.

biliano wrote:
Cut her some slack; she's only 13 years old.

If you haven't mentioned it I wouldn't notice. Wolverine Princess behaves much more maturely than many older users. Wish I have a little sister like her.

(dormcat dodges)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:59 pm Reply with quote
areaseven wrote:
Wolverine Princess wrote:
It was animated in Japan.


Yeah, and Gumby is made in the USA, so your answer is illogical. Next time, come up with a more valid reason to have a title included on the Encyclopedia (such as, "It's an adaptation of a manga by _____.").

What? It's your answer that's illogical. Why should Japanese stop motion not be included in the encyclopedia? Besides, parts of Fuyu no hi are stop-motion and it's already in there.

It's a shame that animators like Kihachiro Kawamoto and Tadahito Mochinaga, respected both in Japan and worldwide, get no place in the ANN encylcopedia because their work is stop motion. It's ridiculous, if you ask me. Stop motion animation is just as legitimate a form of animation as 2D, and stop motion animation from Japan should fall under the definition of anime.

From ANN's own lexicon:
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Japanese word for cartoon and animation. In Japan, "anime" refers to any and all animation or cartoon - regardless of the genre, style, or nation of origin. Outside of Japan the word "anime" has come to refer specifically to animation of Japanese origins. Because of this, it is pronounced the Japanese way: "a-nee-may".


P.S. Shisha no Sho SO deserves a spot in the encyclopedia it's not even funny.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:35 pm Reply with quote
Cloe wrote:
Shisha no Sho SO deserves a spot in the encyclopedia it's not even funny.


Well, then, is Shisha no Sho stop-motion animation or a puppet movie? That's what chris keck was campaigning about last year when he/she tried to submit the title into the Encyclopedia as a stop-motion animation film. The Encyclopedists determined that the title was a puppet movie, as Dan42 mentioned in the thread dormcat referenced:

On October 5, 2005, Dan42 wrote:
From what I understood when we talked about whether to accept this, Shisha no Sho is a puppet movie. That is, cameras filming puppets being moved by puppeteers. And that's not animation. Now, if it's a stop-motion film then indeed it can be considered animation... but it still feels weird to call it anime. We can try to define anime ad vitam eternam using various labels and classifications, but in the end there's a certain element of "you know it when you see it"

We could add a condition like "it must be drawn (either by hand or by computer) to be considered anime". But in the end, it's just that stop-motion doesn't *feel* like anime to me. It just feels too different from the animation that comes from the Tezuka lineage.


I haven't seen Shisha no Sho so I don't know if this film is stop-motion or a puppet film. I absolutely agree with you, Cloe, that stop-motion ("claymation") animation originating in Japan should be included in the Encyclopedia, but puppet shows/films do not.
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