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NEWS: AIC Enlists University in Singapore




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ShadowrazoR



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:14 pm Reply with quote
I'm Singaporean, so this should be coming as good news to me. But what's with all the misinformation on CNA?

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Anime can come in various forms - TV serials, feature films and computer games.


What?! Computer games? That's just people calling cel-shaded graphics + big eyes "anime style art".

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A typical anime TV series would take more than 50 animators some 6 months to complete a half-an-hour episode.


Riiiight... That would mean even 13-episode anime has to get planned 6-7 years in advance? However did they do stuff like Doraemon, DBZ and Naruto then?


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Dargonxtc



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:17 pm Reply with quote
Japan is Outsourcing anime!!!

I wonder if there will be any backlash Smile
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wao



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:21 pm Reply with quote
O_O

This news is of extreme interest to me. I've given up on getting a scholarship to go to an overseas university so if I go to NTU I think this might just sound... Oooh.

Even though I don't like AIC that much, but heck.


I thought 2D animation was dying and people didn't want to do this kind of stuff.

So what are they going to do exactly? Will we be able to see "仕上げ: NTU"? Or will they extend past the in-between and colouring into the animation as well?? I'm a bit excited, really... it's where I live, after all!

By the way, Dargonxtc, Japan has been outsourcing anime for ages now. Entire episodes can be done by Korean studios, let alone the animation or backgrounds or whatever.
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Dargonxtc



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:44 pm Reply with quote
Yeah I knew about the Korean thing for awhile now, I just saw an excuse to scream Outsourcing from the rooftops Smile
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Gigablah



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:59 am Reply with quote
ShadowrazoR wrote:
What?! Computer games? That's just people calling cel-shaded graphics + big eyes "anime style art".


Isn't it? Smile

Anyway, some games feature animated cutscenes and such, that's probably what it's referring to.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:14 am Reply with quote
ShadowrazoR wrote:
I'm Singaporean, so this should be coming as good news to me. But what's with all the misinformation on CNA?

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Anime can come in various forms - TV serials, feature films and computer games.

What?! Computer games? That's just people calling cel-shaded graphics + big eyes "anime style art".

"Anime" = "Japanese animation"—of whatever sort or purpose, including advertising and video games. (Nihon Dōga, the company that was purchased to make up the core of Tōei's animation subsidiary, was originally founded to make commercials. See the second edition of The Anime Encyclopedia, due out in November.)

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A typical anime TV series would take more than 50 animators some 6 months to complete a half-an-hour episode.

Riiiight... That would mean even 13-episode anime has to get planned 6-7 years in advance? However did they do stuff like Doraemon, DBZ and Naruto then?

Err—no. Each episode is produced in semi-parallel. The preliminary work for the series is done (plot; character, mechanical, and background designs; episode scripts, et cetera), and then each part of of each episode is done at one week staggered intervals. E.g., while the key drawings on episode 3 are being done, the inbetween drawings for episode 2 are in progress, and the voice work and music for episode 1 is being recorded.
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:22 am Reply with quote
I hope this means that AIC will start producing some decent new titles now and get away from just doing harum, and loli trash. The Japanese have been out sourcing for years now. I can't be the only one to have noticed all those Korean names in the end credits of some productions?
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wao



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:17 pm Reply with quote
I somehow doubt that just because they're using new resources to get their anime done faster, means they'll change the nature of their shows. They make anime to please a certain audience and try to make money and this'll just make it easeir, really.
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Japan outsources to Korea, China, and even some places in Southeast Asia. It's not so much the outsourcing itself that's new, but that it's in Singapore.

I don't know enough about the industry, but this kind of puzzles me. Singapore animation cheaper than Japanese animation, sure. 40% sounds kind of a stretch, but I can believe it. But Singapore is... how shall we say? Richer, higher, more high-skilled? than say SE Asia or the cheap animation studios in Korea and China. I could be completely wrong, but isn't it cheaper to send it elsewhere anyway?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:43 pm Reply with quote
minakichan wrote:
J don't know enough about the industry, but this kind of puzzles me. Singapore animation cheaper than Japanese animation, sure. 40% sounds kind of a stretch, but I can believe it. But Singapore is... how shall we say? Richer, higher, more high-skilled? than say SE Asia or the cheap animation studios in Korea and China. I could be completely wrong, but isn't it cheaper to send it elsewhere anyway?

I believe they intend to cut costs using computers to partially automate the grunt work of coloring, and this is where Singapore's workforce—skilled in computers—will come into play.
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wao



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:28 am Reply with quote
I suspect it also has to do with a particular software that the university has or is developing (or something along those lines). Otherwise like you said there's no benefit sending it to the more expensive (and further-away) Singapore when there's China and Korea.

I'm sure teh Chinese and Korean companies must be using computers as well for the digital colouring at the very least, and the composition. Perhaps it's digital in-betweening - not automatic in-betweening, but in-betweens done on the computer - that NTU is offering. Something like the key animation drawings are scanned in and the clean-up as well as drawings between them (nakawari) are done with a tablet on a computer. So the digitization starts at the in-between stage rather than the digital paint stage.

If I'm not wrong some Japanese companies do do this; at least Telecom does (they even list them differently as douga and digital douga.)
Some animators like Ryoochimo even do the key animation straight on the computer - he started out as a gif animator anyways.
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Help_me_Im_a_n00b



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:19 am Reply with quote
They worded it wrong...

I'm guessing an anime episode takes about 4-8 weeks to complete (western animation takes 8-12 weeks per episode). But like mentioned, it's staged in weekly intervals, so if you stage 26 episodes that's 26 weeks...yeah 6 months.

wao wrote:
I suspect it also has to do with a particular software that the university has or is developing (or something along those lines). Otherwise like you said there's no benefit sending it to the more expensive (and further-away) Singapore when there's China and Korea.

I'm sure teh Chinese and Korean companies must be using computers as well for the digital colouring at the very least, and the composition. Perhaps it's digital in-betweening - not automatic in-betweening, but in-betweens done on the computer - that NTU is offering. Something like the key animation drawings are scanned in and the clean-up as well as drawings between them (nakawari) are done with a tablet on a computer. So the digitization starts at the in-between stage rather than the digital paint stage.


Scanned drawings consist of cleaned up key animation + clean in-between drawings. They are then colored per piece. What their software aims to do--as I understand from the description-- is reduce the number of scanned drawings to just key animation, then have the in-betweens automatically generated and colored.
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