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morsmaestro
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:29 pm
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Many anime have deeper elements in them to explore, things to be learned, things to think about--and its all contained within simple quotes. So I'm starting this thread for people to share quotes they thought were amazing, thought-provoking, presented a truism, a philosophical idea, or is just a beautiful work of prose (or poetic quotes, for that matter), and discuss what those quotes really mean, their message in the subtext.
To start, here's something to think about from Now and Then, Here and There. It's not actually 'in' the story per se, but appears at the beginning of each episode, and gives you 13 episodes to figure out what it means.
Quote: | Because ten billion
years' time is
so fragile,
so ephemeral...
it arouses such a
bittersweet,
almost heartbreaking
fondness. |
Heck, I'm still trying to understand it fully. What I did come up with is that it talks about the fondness of life, that is so easily taken away. I believe it reflects the theme of the series, that one has the will to survive in spite of the harshness of the world, and that life is precious no matter how bad things get. It seems like the quote is from an objective viewpoint, however. It doesn't seem hopeful for the future, or dark and pessimistic, just...mysterious.
I have so many others written down; if this topic goes anywhere, I'll get around to sharing them.
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Vortextk
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:50 pm
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I like quotes. I think it's kind of a "snob appeal" thing with me, as that works well with me. "Oooo, don't I feel high, mighty, and smart by saving these and reading these." But besides that nonsense, I do feel that quotes are just sometimes very good. Some of the best hitting select individuals because it means something more to them than someone else.
I would say FLCL holds a high spot on my favorite anime list. Very high. There are probably a good many quotes I don't have that I should write down from this. But two..
Quote: | "When the chips are down, few people can really swing the bat."
"You ever feel like there's a lot of extra unwanted stuff in your life? People should be more ambiguous." |
You know, I couldn't exactly tell you what the second quote means(Yes, they are taken from the dub). I have a vague idea, but can't quite articulately explain it to another person. Then again, it probably means different things to different people. The first quote I think is just a solid "Things get tough, and people can't stand up to them" kind of thing. I just really love the metaphors that go on in that episode.
One of my new favorite shows, which I can't wait until part 2 is released, is Honey & Clover.
They're a bit cheesy and over dramatic for "just a bunch of college kids", but the entire show struck me as it seems to with others as well.
Quote: | "One day we’ll be more mature too, and it’ll seem as if we didn’t have a childhood."
"But I’ve realized why I’m lost. It’s not because I don’t have a map. It’s because I don’t have a destination."
"Who cares about answers? There aren’t any to begin with. All that matters is whether you tried until you were content."
"Loneliness comes suddenly like waves and recedes just as fast." |
I think these few short quotes and maybe a few more from the series, explain Takemoto in detail. They're not really advice, not quite. More like an observation of something you might not see very well. The "it's right infront of your nose yet you still can't seem to find it" kind of thing.(And good job whichever fansub group this was, they all flow nicely ).
I have to say, I fit in quite well with this show. I'm at the same age as Takemoto was when it started and lost just as well. I know what "I'm going to school for" and "what I plan to do after college", but it seems like I'm just going through the motions with class and work etc. When I say going into computers or computer engineer, it means I'm gonna take some classes in computers and see what happens. When other people say I'm going to be a teacher or lawyer, they sound so sure of their profession and future with it.
Movies can be extremely good and smart or full of action, but it seems our(U.S.) dramatics are rarely this well done. Maybe it just wouldn't work in a 2hour live action flick, I don't know but anime sure does somethings uniquely and well.
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the Rancorous
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:25 am
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I was actually thinking about starting something like this myself, but you beat me to it. I have a few:
2 from NGE:
1) "After everything we've been through, our greatest enemy is man himself" -commander Fyutsuki(sp)
sadly, this is all too true: mankind's greatest enemy is mankind. NERV fought against inhuman things, sacrificed lives, time, money, etc against the enmy known as the angels, and in the end, after there was no more common foe, they had to face other human beings. I don't think I need to explain the significance of this throughout history, so I'll leave it at that.
2)"Sometimes you gotta drink to keep yourself undercontrol." -Kaji
Again, too true. For myself, I got to college and work a strenuous job full-time and so things get pretty damn hecktic for me. But, on my nights off, even if I'm by myself, I'll pick up a bottle of livingston and let loose while surfing the net, playing a game, watching videos, etc. Or drop into a bar with my friends and let all the tension drop. And, it really DOES help keep me from breaking down or flipping out. Heh, I probably just pissed off a bunch of after-school specials. Do know that I am of age
3)"Don't beg for things, do it yourself, or else you won't get anything" -from Eureka 7
This one is quite inspirational actually. It basically says that if you just sit around and wait for things to happen, then you will be waiting around for your whole life. You are the one who has to make it happen, you must reach and strive for it; work and bleed for it, and only then can you accomplish your dreams/goals/whatever. This is something that I feel most everyone will come to understand in their future, your own success and accomplishments are entirely dependent upon you and you alone. The harder you work for it, the quicker you shall achieve it.
Those are the 3 I can think of quickly, I may post more as I remember them, but I really need to finish my research paper right now! Heh heh...
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Nirvana
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:06 am
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Oh wow, I used to have so many before this school year, but things just happened and I've forgotten them all. Yes, quotes to me can be the breakign point between an awesome anime and just a good anime. That is one thing i dislike about subs... sometimes tehy are just bad =/. Besides that... wow... i can't think of any at this point, but if i remember any I'm going to this thread.
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Key
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:24 am
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morsmaestro wrote: | To start, here's something to think about from Now and Then, Here and There. It's not actually 'in' the story per se, but appears at the beginning of each episode, and gives you 13 episodes to figure out what it means.
Quote: | Because ten billion
years' time is
so fragile,
so ephemeral...
it arouses such a
bittersweet,
almost heartbreaking
fondness. |
Heck, I'm still trying to understand it fully. What I did come up with is that it talks about the fondness of life, that is so easily taken away. I believe it reflects the theme of the series, that one has the will to survive in spite of the harshness of the world, and that life is precious no matter how bad things get. It seems like the quote is from an objective viewpoint, however. It doesn't seem hopeful for the future, or dark and pessimistic, just...mysterious. |
I never understood that quote, either. It doesn't seem to be taken from any other source, so I'm unclear about its intended meaning.
A much better quote to muse over from the same series is a much shorter one spoken in the series by the character Sis: "Wars don't raise children." It's got the kind of devastating simplicity to it that's almost impossible to refute.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:38 am
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Some of my favorite quotes are near the ends of series, so I'll apply spoiler tags just in case.
From NGE Episode 26 (TV) Ritsuko: "But you can also have fun on a rainy day." (original release) / "Enjoyable things also happen on rainy days." (Platinum) If you think about this quote within the context of episode 26 and all the psychological talk, it really sums up a great deal of NGE's philosophy about life and happiness, until the movie came along and blew everything to kingdom come
From Fushigi Yuugi Episode 26: Tamahome: Why didn't you dodge me? Nakago: The power of Seiryuu is sealed, and your power of Suzaku is stronger. And the strong win. A fine expression of the unfortunate reality that the weak are always defeated by the strong...a quote powerful enough to evoke some sympathy for one of FY's main villains.
In some episode of Super Gals!, Ran says something to the effect of, "Even if we work hard and make sacrifices in our youth, there's no guarantee that our futures will be better for it, so we should enjoy ourselves." A perfect "anti-lesson" that runs against pretty much the entire Japanese mentality of school and work. /me wishes there were a "rock on" / "metal fist" emoticon/
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morsmaestro
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:07 pm
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the Rancorous wrote: | 3)"Don't beg for things, do it yourself, or else you won't get anything" -from Eureka 7
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I totally love the message in that, and it is inspirational. You can't sit around waiting for something to happen. You have to go all out and take it for yourself. I have something to support to that, from Trigun:
Quote: | The worst thing we can do is to make no choice while we wait for the answer to come to us. |
Another from Trigun:
Quote: | "It's not wise to drown in others' pain. |
It's never healthy to worry about everyone else around you and take on their burden as well as your own, because life gets pretty harsh when that happens. Speaking of which, Here's somthing from Kino's Journey. It's rather long, but the whole episode addresses this particular issue. From the episode "The Land of Visible Pain": (I doubt the first episode could be called a spoiler)
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KINO:Why is it that everyone lives locked away from one another?
MAN:You were told that when you were a kid, weren't you, that you should be considerate of other peoples' pain? The reason we hurt others is because we don't understand their pain. If we all understood each other's feelings, there would be no more conflicts. That's what we thought.
HERMES:Who's "we"?
MAN:All the people in this country. We've had advanced machine technology for a long time now, and machines have done most of the work around here. The scientists used that technology to make an epochal invention--one that stimulated a part of the brain that wasn't being used, to transmit our thoughts directly to one another.
KINO:Transmit thoughts directly?
HERMES:So it's like topology, right?
KINO:...Telepathy?
HERMES:Yeah, that!
MAN:When communicating our thoughts, words are imperfect. It's full of holes everywhere. Just like with the word "beautiful," you cannot communicate exactly how beautiful you feel something is. But a group of our country's scientists made that possible. If you drank the liquid machine that they developed, you would be able to understand the thoughts of others without words. We thought it was a wonderful thing. And people all across the country drank it.
KINO:All across the country...meaning everyone?
MAN:Think about it. If everyone else is communicating their thoughts to one another, but you alone are left out of the loop, you'd feel pretty uneasy, wouldn't you? You could feel secure as long as we were all connected to each other. That's what everyone thought.
HERMES:What happened after that?
MAN:I'll tell you what happened to me. At that time, I was in love with a certain woman, but I couldn't tell her how I felt. The moment I drank the liquid machines, her feelings came pouring into me. We shared a mutual love for one another. I thought we were the happiest people in the world. But our life together soon fell apart. She was very much into raising flowers, but I didn't really have any interest in that. I was very much into music, but she was similarly disinterested. Tense situations followed one after another. We would deliberately think of unrelated things to keep the other from reading our thoughts, but even the very fact that we were doing so would be communicated. Even the smallest things you didn't like about someone came across, and it only succeeded in amplifying hatred on both sides. And this hatred pierced us like thorns. Soon, we realized what a horror it was to be able to read other people's thoughts and be read yourself. Even when you weren't in pain yourself, you could still feel the pain of others, and there was nothing positive about that. There was only one thing to do, and that was to distance ourselves from each other. |
When dealing with this, I believe that distancing yourself from others is an option, but not the right one. Rather than running away from their pain, one should try to help them. If you do what this man did, people still live in pain, and that's not good either. So this country was a little wacked with their method, but that's just what Kino's Journey is like.
I know you must think I'm crazy for copying all that down, but it's interesting to think about. I love Kino's Journey because it gives you so much to think about. Most of my quotes I have written down are from that. (None of the others are that long, I promise.)
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Deltakiral
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:34 am
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There are a couple of quotes that I personally enjoy and I have brought a lot of reflection within myself. For example In Evangelion, Kaji with this passage with Shinji. The episode I am not sure of, but it when Shinji faces Unit 3
Quote: | But People can’t really understand themselves, much less each other. Understanding 100 percent of anything is… impossible. That why we spend so much time trying to understand are own motivations, and those of others. That’s what makes life so interesting |
For myself at the time I heard this it made so much sense out of my life at the time. And when I think about this quote it so true, the fact that We (I know I do at least) try so hard to understand others and their actions. And for myself I remember being listening to this originally on the Perfect Collections and not thinking twice of it, and then I heard it on Cartoon Network and with all the turmoil in my life at that time that quote really allowed me to find some inner peace.
Another quote (well not really a quote) I really like is from Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo and the quote goes something like this
Quote: | Mors certa hora incerta. Latin: Death is certain; its hour, uncertain. |
I really like this quote because it is so simple, were all going to die but what we do with our time is what important now. Because at the end of the day you never know when it will be your last.
Lastly it always comes back to Monster (doesn't it always with me ) and that quote comes to us from our Angel of Death (Great play on words there) Johan.
Quote: | Because in the end, the only thing that people are ever equal in is death. |
This fits in well with the previous quote sorta, but it's really true. I mean some people are born lucky and have the world presented to them, whereas someone else may not. But at the end of everything, when we die we die.
Once more from my dearest Monster
Quote: | People are so strange, Sadness keeps fading away and only happy memories remain. People sure have a convenient make up |
Is this true, I mean do you see this within yourself? I remember being so upset and distraught over my girlfriend I figure I would never forgive her, but yet as time past, old wounds heal I guess. That is followed up by this quote
Quote: | That's why we can keep on living. |
Till next time,
Delta Kiral
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abunai
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:25 am
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Deltakiral wrote: | Another quote (well not really a quote) I really like is from Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo and the quote goes something like this
Quote: | Mors certa hora incerta. Latin: Death is certain; its hour, uncertain. |
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No, not really a quote, but a quotation -- a quote is a price offered by a salesman. A lot of people confuse the verb quote with the noun quotation.
But that's not what I want to say. What I wanted to say is that this is, in fact, a genuine quotation.
Though usually attributed to "the ancient Romans" as a supposed proverb of theirs, there is no indication that the phrase was in use in classical times (though the sentiment was certainly familiar to the Romans, for instance in the writings of the Epicureans). Its may have appeared as early as late mediaeval times (in Germany), and it is most familiar today as the inscription on the clock face of the clock tower of the new town hall (built around 1900) in the German city of Leipzig.
BTW, there's an episode of Negima! with the same title.
- abunai
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morsmaestro
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:20 pm
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Hmm. Alright, anime quotations then. But thinking on that, I ask again, "what's in a word?" Isn't a word just a little tidbit people use to communicate with? I think a words meaning depends on its general interpretation, not necessarily what webster says it means. If people thought the word "red" meant blue, and someone said "look at that red fire hydrant", wouldn't we think the concept of a blue fire hydrant rather than actually what is said to be "red"? Therefore, I would say these are actually both "quotes" and "quotations", because that's how people see it.
There would really only be confusion among the smart but clueless old-fashioned people (not you, so don't freak out) who don't know the word "quote." But I doubt there's anybody like that here, anyway.
Deltakiral wrote: |
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Because in the end, the only thing that people are ever equal in is death.
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This fits in well with the previous quote sorta, but it's really true. I mean some people are born lucky and have the world presented to them, whereas someone else may not. But at the end of everything, when we die we die. |
That's a good one. It goes back to the old saying, the only certain things in life are death, taxes, and teddy bears. (Is that the original quote, or something I heard changed somewhere else?). We can never be certain about anything in the world, except death.
Here's another one from Kino's Journey, from the preview for the episode "The land of Wizards". I can't find the paper I wrote it down on (theres so many papers on my floor right now), so I'm not sure I have it exact, but I think I can remember the basic idea.
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Hermes:If you could have any kind of magic, what kind of magic would it be?
Kino:Well, I would have the kind of magic that would allow you to conjure tasty food anytime, and summon a bed whenever you want.
Hermes:So, in that case, it would be the same kind of magic that would allow you to live without eating or sleeping.
Kino:The same? ...Is it?
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I love this because it presents kind of a mysterious philosophical idea. When I heard this, I thought to myself, "wait a minute... that doesn't make sense." and, in knowing the nature of Kino's Journey, I concluded, "So there must be something more."
After thinking about it, this is what I came up with... Hermes argues that not struggling to find food or a bed is the same as never needing it. If you don't struggle for something, you don't have it at all. Therefore, on the larger application, one's life has no meaning if they aren't struggling to do something with it. If you do nothing with your life, you don't exist.
...Which is totally the theme behind the "The Land of Wizards".
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