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hanachan01



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:12 am Reply with quote
I watched the AzuDai DVD 1, which featured inepisode a segment called 'Chiyo-chan's Cooking Song.' I really loved this segment, and was suprised to see this not on ADV's Complete Collection. Did anyone else see this? Does anyone know why it wasn't on there?
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:47 am Reply with quote
I assume you're asking why it isn't in the thinpack collection. ADV tends to remove all the extras on the collections with a reduced DVD count. All the extras were removed, and more episodes for disc were given to cut down on the disc count.

Some thinpacks, such as RahXephon, FMP, Noir and Gantz, leave the original disc count and all the extras for reasons not understandable to anyone. I wonder if ADV has a reason for doing this? But for now, it appears that they remove extras from random series.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:47 am Reply with quote
Quoted from ANN, "ADV Films has informed us that the Azumanga Daioh ThinPak Collection does not include Azumanga Daioh - The Very Short Movie, or any other extras. ADV is keeping the extras for their initial releases in order so as not to "punish" anyone who paid the higher price for those releases." http://animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6843
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 1:27 pm Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
Quoted from ANN, "ADV Films has informed us that the Azumanga Daioh ThinPak Collection does not include Azumanga Daioh - The Very Short Movie, or any other extras. ADV is keeping the extras for their initial releases in order so as not to "punish" anyone who paid the higher price for those releases." http://animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6843
Smells like bullsh**. "Punish"? Why doesn't ADV say that the reason they did it was so that the hardcore fans would still buy the more expensive single releases, or accidently believe the thinpack has it and end up re-purchasing the series? Well I guess I know why but come on. Does anyone actually believe them?
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:17 pm Reply with quote
joel_s95387 wrote:
Kouji wrote:
Quoted from ANN, "ADV Films has informed us that the Azumanga Daioh ThinPak Collection does not include Azumanga Daioh - The Very Short Movie, or any other extras. ADV is keeping the extras for their initial releases in order so as not to "punish" anyone who paid the higher price for those releases." http://animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6843
Smells like bullsh**. "Punish"? Why doesn't ADV say that the reason they did it was so that the hardcore fans would still buy the more expensive single releases, or accidently believe the thinpack has it and end up re-purchasing the series? Well I guess I know why but come on. Does anyone actually believe them?


I don't remember where I read it, or heard it. But I saw an interview once with with the president of ADV( I think his his name is Matt or something, can't remember). And he said they sometimes they mess around and purposely makes things not all-around right too:(paraphrasing)" to generate buzz among hardcore fans, listen to them and fix it so we can do a re-release". Now this has nothing to do with Azumanga Daioh , as it just doesn't have all eps. But he was saying that they would even make dubs say things that weren't even close to the original, just to generate buzz, and then fix it, and re-release.

Sick but effective.
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:03 pm Reply with quote
Dargonxtc wrote:
I don't remember where I read it, or heard it. But I saw an interview once with with the president of ADV( I think his his name is Matt or something, can't remember). And he said they sometimes they mess around and purposely makes things not all-around right too:(paraphrasing)" to generate buzz among hardcore fans, listen to them and fix it so we can do a re-release". Now this has nothing to do with Azumanga Daioh , as it just doesn't have all eps. But he was saying that they would even make dubs say things that weren't even close to the original, just to generate buzz, and then fix it, and re-release.

Sick but effective.


Matt Greenfield is his name, I believe. So, this is what ADV was up to with Martian Successor: Nadesico and Sakura Diaries, huh? I think FMP!, Noir, and RahXephon were released in the "early days" of thinpacks, before they started removing all the extras. With the first half of GANTZ, I think the extras were left on because of all the controversy surrounding the experimental 2-episode discs. It'll be interesting to see if they leave them on the second half when that gets a thinpack release later this summer. Honestly, I have felt a bit "punished" by boxed set releases from other companies that are exactly the same as the initial release, so it's not all BS...with ADV's thinpacks, you kind of have to weigh things between your wallet and the content. If something's heavy on cultural notes/references, like Azumanga Daioh, Super Gals!, and Abenobashi, I recommend the single discs, but otherwise, you usually aren't missing out on too much by getting the thinpacks. Once Ghost Stories gets a thinpack release, it'll be a great value unless you really want background information on the ghosts.

Of course, the true solution is to just wait until the thinpack gets released and order the single discs cheap off rightstuf.com --I'm really tempted to sell my Angelic Layer thinpack and buy the original release for $52...
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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:33 pm Reply with quote
Zalis116 wrote:
Of course, the true solution is to just wait until the thinpack gets released and order the single discs cheap off rightstuf.com --I'm really tempted to sell my Angelic Layer thinpack and buy the original release for $52...

Haha, funny you should say that. I just got Angelic Layer thinpack in the mail today. I got it at rightsuf for like 32 bucks.

Me because of money I almost always get the thinpacks. If I can wait. As long as the actual shows are the same, its fine by me.
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Kouji



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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:37 pm Reply with quote
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Smells like bullsh**. "Punish"? Why doesn't ADV say that the reason they did it was so that the hardcore fans would still buy the more expensive single releases, or accidently believe the thinpack has it and end up re-purchasing the series? Well I guess I know why but come on. Does anyone actually believe them?
Yes, they do. Let's use CCS as an example here. CCS was originally released in 18 single volumes for $30 with only three to four episodes per disc. It took fans nearly two years to buy all the uncut CCS DVDs seperately and just recently Geneon re-released CCS in cheaper DVD boxsets. Both boxsets sell for around $70-something and they have all the exact same features as the single volumes. Now imagine you went to all the trouble to collect the single volumes for a much more expensive price and it took you a very long time to buy them all, but then somebody else buys the same exact show for a much cheaper price and all in one scoop for all the same features you got. Wouldn't that make you feel at least a little bit pissed off, if not jealous? Besides, compared to the actual show itself, it's not like the Azumanga Daioh shorts were all that funny to begin with and if you're deseperate for translation notes, you can easily find info about the Japanese culture elements in Azumanga Daioh over the Internet. Hell, even ANN has several translation notes for Azumanga Daioh up in its encyclopedia.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:29 am Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
joel_s95387 wrote:
Smells like bullsh**. "Punish"? Why doesn't ADV say that the reason they did it was so that the hardcore fans would still buy the more expensive single releases, or accidently believe the thinpack has it and end up re-purchasing the series? Well I guess I know why but come on. Does anyone actually believe them?
Yes, they do. Let's use CCS as an example here. CCS was originally released in 18 single volumes for $30 with only three to four episodes per disc. It took fans nearly two years to buy all the uncut CCS DVDs seperately and just recently Geneon re-released CCS in cheaper DVD boxsets. Both boxsets sell for around $70-something and they have all the exact same features as the single volumes. Now imagine you went to all the trouble to collect the single volumes for a much more expensive price and it took you a very long time to buy them all, but then somebody else buys the same exact show for a much cheaper price and all in one scoop for all the same features you got. Wouldn't that make you feel at least a little bit pissed off, if not jealous? Besides, compared to the actual show itself, it's not like the Azumanga Daioh shorts were all that funny to begin with and if you're deseperate for translation notes, you can easily find info about the Japanese culture elements in Azumanga Daioh over the Internet. Hell, even ANN has several translation notes for Azumanga Daioh up in its encyclopedia.

Ever heard of Neon Genesis Evangelion Platinum? I originally bought the 8 DVD "Perfect Collection" and was so pissed when I heard they were releasing a "Platinum" series. DId they do anything to make me feel better for buying those old releases? No. They just released the better versions for cheaper, and less volume count. Is that what we call "hypocrates"?
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Swordfish_II



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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:02 am Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
Let's use CCS as an example here. CCS was originally released in 18 single volumes for $30 with only three to four episodes per disc. It took fans nearly two years to buy all the uncut CCS DVDs seperately and just recently Geneon re-released CCS in cheaper DVD boxsets. Both boxsets sell for around $70-something and they have all the exact same features as the single volumes. Now imagine you went to all the trouble to collect the single volumes for a much more expensive price and it took you a very long time to buy them all, but then somebody else buys the same exact show for a much cheaper price and all in one scoop for all the same features you got. Wouldn't that make you feel at least a little bit pissed off, if not jealous?


Well, as per your example, there were two years between the release of the final volume and the release of the boxset. So if you feel "ripped off" for buying them as they came out, you did get to see it two years before the people who waited for sets.

The problem with ADV's sets is they're putting them out as little as three months after the final volume (or at least they were, I hear they're going to slack off a bit).
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hanachan01



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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:22 pm Reply with quote
joel_s95387 wrote:
I assume you're asking why it isn't in the thinpack collection. ADV tends to remove all the extras on the collections with a reduced DVD count. All the extras were removed, and more episodes for disc were given to cut down on the disc count.

Some thinpacks, such as RahXephon, FMP, Noir and Gantz, leave the original disc count and all the extras for reasons not understandable to anyone. I wonder if ADV has a reason for doing this? But for now, it appears that they remove extras from random series.


But the segmant I'm talking about was played in the single DVD right before the ending credits, henceforth making it part of the episode! So, I'm confused...

And ADV are being jerks. For CCS, Geneon waited awhile to release the boxsets. I'm cool with that, and I hope to but the box sets one day.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:48 pm Reply with quote
joel_s95387 wrote:

Ever heard of Neon Genesis Evangelion Platinum? I originally bought the 8 DVD "Perfect Collection" and was so pissed when I heard they were releasing a "Platinum" series. DId they do anything to make me feel better for buying those old releases? No. They just released the better versions for cheaper, and less volume count. Is that what we call "hypocrates"?
But is Azumanga Daioh as popular as Evangelion? Evangelion is still one of the most popular anime series whereas Azumanga Daioh is a niche market within a niche market. Haven't you noticed how almost all the popular DVD boxsets that have been released recently have been more expensive than the boxsets of the less popular series? Even in Japan, Evangelion has had quite a few re-releases over the years, and if you think the Evangelion DVDs are bad, just take a look at all of ADV's re-releases of Robotech. But correct me if I'm wrong, didn't the Evangelion Platinum DVDs come out before the Azumanga Daioh thinpack set? So, how can they be called hypocrites for changing their ways AFTER they make the mistake of re-releasing something with extras on the DVDs at a cheaper price? And if it makes you feel any better, the Evangelion Platinum Edition DVD boxset doesn't have any extras on it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:58 pm Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
And if it makes you feel any better, the Evangelion Platinum Edition DVD boxset doesn't have any extras on it.
Yes I own it, and the only thing I would consider extra is that it comes with the directors cut of ep.21-24, which are like 40 minutes long. It comes with the originals too. Not sure if the original releases had the directors cut or not.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:00 am Reply with quote
hanachan01 wrote:
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But the segmant I'm talking about was played in the single DVD right before the ending credits, henceforth making it part of the episode! So, I'm confused...
Huh? Now that I know what you're actually talking about here, are you absouletly sure it was cut? I have Azumanga Daioh both as fansubs I downloaded before the show was licensed and the official boxset and there are only two instances in both versions where Chiyo sings the song you're referring to, both of which WERE included in my copy of the boxset. You should've made yourself clearer as to what you were talking about in your first post. I thought you were referring to some sort of extra feature on the single DVDs.
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