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LydiaDianne
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:41 pm
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Which villain do you really feel sorry for? Would this person really be a bad person if they had a choice?
My pick is Kagura of the Wind (Inu Yasha. If she wasn't chained to Naraku (he holds her heart, literally.), I think that she would be on her gaint feather, floating through the skies, never setting foot on the ground.
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Master_J
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:50 pm
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The villian that I feel sorry for is Kamui Fuma. I suppose because he didn't choose to become evil, it was his destiny to choose the path Kamui would not. If he chose his destiny, then things would be completely different. But I can't help sympathize with someone who's life was chosen for them .
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NyuuChan
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:52 pm
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LydiaDianne wrote: | Which villain do you really feel sorry for? Would this person really be a bad person if they had a choice?
My pick is Kagura of the Wind (Inu Yasha. If she wasn't chained to Naraku (he holds her heart, literally.), I think that she would be on her gaint feather, floating through the skies, never setting foot on the ground. |
if not for him she wouldnt even exist, so....
i feel kinda (really) bad for Director Kurama, from Elfen Lied; he truly felt sorry for all of the deaths he caused, and they were all to protect 35, his true daughter and nana, his "dauhter" in another sense. and even after that, when he had tried to repent for his sins, realizing fully what he had done was wrong, even letting nana and lucy go he was still killed in the explosion caused by the bomb in his daughters chest; he knew he was to die, and made sure his daughter knew she was loved before hand. in my eyes, at this point, he was more a hero than anything else.
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beast
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:55 pm
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Rao, from the series Fist Of The North Star.
Redundant reasoning: because he's not really that bad, they just fight because they're destined to.
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Dranxis
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:05 pm
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I wholeheartedly agree with LydiaDianne: Kagura definetly has my sympathy. True, Naraku was the one that created her in the first place, but he only created her to be his servant, and then later (major manga spoiler) dispose of her in the most cruel way imaginable. Giving her back her heart only so he could kill her... Impaling and injecting her with miasma so she could be free for only a few hours while dying... Truly the most heart-wrenching scene in Inu-Yasha.
I also kinda feel for Sojiro from Rurouni Kenshin. But I couldn't really call him evil, since his circumstances weren't entirely his fault: though one could argue that he chose to kill his family for himself, even if Shishio planted the idea in his brain.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:24 pm
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Well, there are a few Sailor Moon villains that I felt a bit sorry for--
Nephrite from the 1st season:
since he does go "good" and falls in love with Naru and all that...very nice "fading away" death scene that had me feeling sympathetic even when I first saw it dubbed, years and years ago.
The Amazon Trio from Super S:
since they really are just animals, with no true souls or "dreams" of their own. They also defy Zirconia and go "good," and sacrifice themselves to save Usagi...luckily, they got a good ending.
Perhaps the "Sealed Card" from the CCS movie of the same name, but that's too easy...
Sai from Angelic Layer:
okay, she's not exactly a "villain," but she is one of Misaki's opponents, and in episode 16 where we see the flashbacks of her dead younger sister, and especially the intercut scenes towards the end of the fight, it's hard not to feel a bit sad when Misaki beats her. Especially the flashback line from Rin when the fight ends: "Onee-chan, I'll always be with you."
Fungus from Final Fantasy: Unlimited:
it is kind of unfortunate that he lost his family and entire planet, and it's unfortunate when the Earl betrays him and lets him die. At least I think that's how it went down.
Perhaps the top villain in this category for me is Nakago from Fushigi Yuugi (TV series, not OVA)--sure, he's pretty bad-ass & despicable throughout the show, but in episode 52 when Tamahome punches him, we get some redemptive glimpses into his past to see what has motivated Nakago for all that time...particular highlights are when he asks his mom "Why do they hate us so much, just because we're different? and when Tamahome asks why he didn't dodge the punch, he replies "The weak are always defeated by the strong--that is the way of the world" or something like that.
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Stupidman007
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:59 pm
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I think this question need to be a bit more specific, really stating the meaning of villain. Like some of the previous posters, I have troubles determing what traits puts them in the category. Most animes only have one specific person/group of villains, the rest are usually lead to believe falsely what they represent. For example, in FMA, are the homunculi really villains? There are too many characters who does the villain's work, but aren't villains simple because they're not evil. So basically, I find this question to be a bit unfair.
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faytnox
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:02 am
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.... there are so many villians I feel bad for =[ Especially from yugioh, LOL >_>;;;; Like Yami no Bakura, and Malik... Yami no Bakura's whole village was murdered for the ritual... then after going insane from that he gets locked up in a ring... and Malik.... killed his own dad without even knowing D= So much hate...
I feel bad for Kagura as well! Haku and Zabuza too, from naruto, while they were being evil... ..... and many many many many others D=
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Bl00dHoUnD
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:06 am
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Definitely Zabuza and Haku from Naruto. Both of them were extremely well made characters, and turned around near the end. It was sad to see them go, and it was easy to feel bad for them. Episode 19 was also, and probably is, the best constructed episode of naruto.
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LydiaDianne
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:21 am
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For Stupidman:
What I mean by villain is someone who attacks the hero for what ever reason (because they want to, because they were forced, etc.) But not all villains are truly evil. I just want to see who people feel sorry for.
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Greennunu
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:25 am
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Zalis116 wrote: | Perhaps the top villain in this category for me is Nakago from Fushigi Yuugi (TV series, not OVA)--sure, he's pretty bad-ass & despicable throughout the show, but in episode 52 when Tamahome punches him, we get some redemptive glimpses into his past to see what has motivated Nakago for all that time...particular highlights are when he asks his mom "Why do they hate us so much, just because we're different? and when Tamahome asks why he didn't dodge the punch, he replies "The weak are always defeated by the strong--that is the way of the world" or something like that. |
Damn, already beat me to it.
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Nagisa
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:47 am
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There are quite a few I could name for this category, but just off the top of my head right now, I'd have to give it to Suigintou from Rozen Maiden. In the first season, her primary motivation was all to prove that, though she was an incomplete doll, she was not "junk" and could be loved by Father just as much as the others. She was basically the odd one out in terms of construction, and she felt she really had to prove herself all the more by one-upping the others in the Alice Game just to show that she was as valid a creation as they were. And then it gets all the more intense in Träumend, when she not only realizes that her obsession with being "junk" is misguided, but comes to that realisation by meeting someone else—her medium, Megu—who similarly believes they're worthless "junk" and ends up trying to save her from that fate. She finally begins to care about others, only to have her noble intentions once again horribly misled by the new villain on the block, Barasuishou. First she fights because she believes she's deemed defective in her creator's eyes, and then she's led astray all in trying to save the first person she's ever cared about from believing the same thing about herself. That's rough, ladies and gentlemen.
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don'tlookbehindyou
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:10 am
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[Spoiler tags are not optional. --Nagi]
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rajamitsu
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:46 am
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MakubeX from GetBackers. As smart and mature as he may be, he's still just a kid who pretty much watched the people he most looked up to leave with, litterally, no way for him to follow and had a gigantic burden dropped on his shoulders. And eventually he went mad, mostly because of what he had to become to protect Lower Town. There's been a lot of gray area mentioned here. However, while his main intention was good, I still consider him a villian in the first arc he appears. Half the time, I was thinking "Aww, he just needs a hug!". The other half I was cursing him for what he was putting his friends through. I was glad to see him redeem himself in the end and actually doing better in the second Mugenjou arc. ...even if it was just briefly before he was kidnapped.
I also have to admit, I sort of feel sorry for Knives from Trigun. Not the whole "All mankind must die!" thing, of course. But he did have a good reason to hate humans and he looked so agonized when Vash ran away from him.
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CyberViper
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:13 am
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I am pretty sure at one point in Naruto Gaara could definitely be considered a villian. I feel extremely sorry for him. His story is so heartbreaking and every time I see him i feel sorry for him.
I also feel sorry for Haku and Zabuza. Their stories were great and I really got sucked in so that when the fight was over I felt really sad.
I don't know if anyone here has seen it, but I feel bad for all of the 'villians' in G-On Riders. Especially the little mechanic girl, i felt really bad for her, having been torn between two people she both considered to be friends.
If Dio, from Last Exile, can be considered a villian, at least in some point of the story, I really feel sorry for him too. trying to get away from his crazy sister, who in the end just brainwashes him to become someone he really doesn't want to be. Then forced to kill several other people. And when he really loses it and thinks Luciola fell out of the vanship...that was so sad.
I also feel bad for all the Homonculi from FMA, except maybe GLuttony just because he seems to stupid.
I also feel sorry for Sojiro, from Rurouni Kenshin ( as someone else mentioned above). He was just completely stripped of his emotions and it seemed like he really wanted to share them but couldn't. And then his past comes back to haunt him, which he can't deal with, and ends up losing the fight with Kenshin.
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