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Divineking



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:09 am Reply with quote
Yeah I have to say this is pretty accurate. I agree that sometimes the show was a bit too direct for it's own good when it came to some of the social commentary but I guess it makes it easier to think about if your not already obsessed with this kind of thing to begin with. I also liked the way it ended since it didn't go down the predictable "screw the system, fight the power!" route, and instead implied that subtle change is the probably the route to go without causing total anarchy. Also agree with Akane's notion at the end spoiler[that humanity may just one day outgrow the system and someone will eventually come to shut it down for good.]

Overall it's not Urobuchi's best work, and it's no Madoka, but it's still pretty excellent and definently worth checking out. Nice to see Funi's trying to be quick with getting this out there.
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Juno016



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Now, I won't excuse Urobuchi's writing if any of this was in part his fault, but the director himself is known for explaining just about everything, as he was apparently also a writer/director for live-action drama, where that kind of thing has become somewhat mandatory in Japan. I wonder how much input everyone on the main staff had...
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Truth of the Sybil System is also kind of ludicrous, too much flat out philosophizing and psychoanalyzing. Some stiff animation this time around.

That's exactly what I thought. Kougami and Tsunemori make for two great lead characters but the pretentious quote spurting villain, the ultimate truth behind Sybil and the multitude of animation issues held it back from being truly great.

But overall, I really liked Psycho Pass. The cyberpunk setup gave it a nice 'classic' feel that I haven't gotten from an Urobuchi work before. It wasn't nearly ambitious enough to become the next Madoka or Fate/Zero, but it was a fun ride that kept me on the edge of my seat and always had me begging for more. I haven't Urobuchi's new show yet, but I have high hopes thanks to this.

Just taking the second half into account, I'd say B+ is a suitable rating. I'd give it a B overall since it was a bit overly grimdark around the beginning. I mean, rape in the first episode? That's ridiculous. Still, the show became better as the plot became more focussed.
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The finale was pretty awesome. I was afraid of deus ex that would change everything, but the ending was pretty realistic. Also, my impression with Kogami's actions in the last episodes changed after watching it. spoiler[There was more to him than revenge against Makishima and that was being him the only one doing the dirty work.
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I was disappointed by the lack of development Yayoi had in the finale. Kagari had more importance in the end but Yayoi was the one who got her flashback episode.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:51 am Reply with quote
sainta wrote:


I was disappointed by the lack of development Yayoi had in the finale. Kagari had more importance in the end but Yayoi was the one who got her flashback episode.


If there's a season 2 or an OVA, I'm banking she'll get much more development especially if spoiler[she partners up with that new recruit.] The other screenwriter Makoto Fukami wouldn't pass up on this glorious opportunity!
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Tanteikingdomkey



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I would have enjoyed the show more if kogami's every action and movement did not scream BISHONEN!
I thought the show was very good, though the ending was to open ended and screamed to be continued for me
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Tanteikingdomkey wrote:
I would have enjoyed the show more if kogami's every action and movement did not scream BISHONEN!


Now, the trick question is, who is more bishounen, Kougami Shinya or Hibari Kyoya. ...no that is not a trick question. Laughing

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− Truth of the Sybil System is also kind of ludicrous, too much flat out philosophizing and psychoanalyzing. Some stiff animation this time around.


Yeah, I couldn't enjoy this full because of all the philosophizing-bable they had going on. Most of the things they mentioned went in one ear and out the other and half the series turned out to be a bore because of it. I mean, it was interesting, but when we have every other episode talking like this, it gets kind of...yeah.

Not sure if spoiler, so just to be safe:
(Also, need to make this comment somewhere, but spoiler[Ginoza's glasses statement just totally reminded me of Aoba Koyo from Reborn! ...his design even resembles Koyo, so I don't even think this is a coincidence.])
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Regretfully this active viewing would be much more effective if Urobuchi would let us do most of the thinking for ourselves

I kinda like how Urobuchi does this in his works since it makes them easier to understand, but I can see why people wouldn't like that.

I didn't really like the ending and found Akane's development towards the end to be fairly rushed and a bit unbelievable. The first half was definitely more interesting, but I have to say that PP overall isn't anywhere near as good as most of Gen's other works.
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Being a long-time fan of cyberpunk, I would have probably rated this show a lot higher. Then again, it catered directly to my specific tastes in fiction, so my ratings for it would be undeniably biased. Wink

One of the things I love about cyberpunk fiction is the inherent function of skewering societal norms. Psycho-Pass did this well, particularly by skewering Japan's societal defining proverb "Deru kui wa utareru" (The stake that sticks out gets hammered down). Not only were the square pegs hammered down, the worst of themspoiler[became the governing "brain" (heh heh) of the system that did the hammering]. I thought the big reveal of the godlike Sybil system spoiler[presented as a pastoral, golden field populated by individual brains in jars] was hysterically funny. (maybe I've read too many Matt Greoning comics, or something... spoiler[Akbar and Jeff's Cryogenic World-Domination Hut LOL]

This wasn't obvious to me at first, but the later scenes concerning spoiler[Japan's food supply and how it was produced] seemed to indicate that the Sybil system was an spoiler[entity unique to Japan], created in part to spoiler[assure Japan's absolute independence from outside nations and cultures. In effect, a culturally anaerobic environment]. A very sly way to lampoon the outdated nationalist and isolationist attitudes still found in certain segments of Japanese Society.

Most of the cyberpunk authors I've been exposed to have been either Americans or British. They skewer a lot of societal ills found in Western culture. It was a nice change of pace to see this done by a Japanese author, focused on Japanese society.

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Regretfully this active viewing would be much more effective if Urobuchi would let us do most of the thinking for ourselves – characters have a tendency to monologue, spewing forth their plans, psychological evaluations of each other, and each and every detail about a point the show deems important as if they were a narration panel in a preachy comic book. With little left to our own interpretation, things can get bogged down with theories, to say nothing of the fact that watching characters eat breakfast while discussing political theory is not all that thrilling. (Episode nineteen compounds this by having particularly stiff animation.)


This is a legitimate complaint. I remember GitS having a few of these kinds of episodes. At least, that particular (I think) episode had a funny homage to Werner Herzog's The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans. Made me laugh. IMO, it makes up for the dialog-heavy scene that it appears in.

Gen Urobuchi's Psycho-Pass gave me everything I wanted in a good cyberpunk story, and didn't leave out any of the elements that make cyberpunk what it is. That, and he likes Herzog. I am now a dedicated fan.
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tuxedocat wrote:
Being a long-time fan of cyberpunk, I would have probably rated this show a lot higher. Then again, it catered directly to my specific tastes in fiction, so my ratings for it would be undeniably biased. Wink

One of the things I love about cyberpunk fiction is the inherent function of skewering societal norms. Psycho-Pass did this well, particularly by skewering Japan's societal defining proverb "Deru kui wa utareru" (The stake that sticks out gets hammered down). Not only were the square pegs hammered down, the worst of themspoiler[became the governing "brain" (heh heh) of the system that did the hammering]. I thought the big reveal of the godlike Sybil system spoiler[presented as a pastoral, golden field populated by individual brains in jars] was hysterically funny. (maybe I've read too many Matt Greoning comics, or something... spoiler[Akbar and Jeff's Cryogenic World-Domination Hut LOL]

This wasn't obvious to me at first, but the later scenes concerning spoiler[Japan's food supply and how it was produced] seemed to indicate that the Sybil system was an spoiler[entity unique to Japan], created in part to spoiler[assure Japan's absolute independence from outside nations and cultures. In effect, a culturally anaerobic environment]. A very sly way to lampoon the outdated nationalist and isolationist attitudes still found in certain segments of Japanese Society.

Most of the cyberpunk authors I've been exposed to have been either Americans or British. They skewer a lot of societal ills found in Western culture. It was a nice change of pace to see this done by a Japanese author, focused on Japanese society.

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Regretfully this active viewing would be much more effective if Urobuchi would let us do most of the thinking for ourselves – characters have a tendency to monologue, spewing forth their plans, psychological evaluations of each other, and each and every detail about a point the show deems important as if they were a narration panel in a preachy comic book. With little left to our own interpretation, things can get bogged down with theories, to say nothing of the fact that watching characters eat breakfast while discussing political theory is not all that thrilling. (Episode nineteen compounds this by having particularly stiff animation.)


This is a legitimate complaint. I remember GitS having a few of these kinds of episodes. At least, that particular (I think) episode had a funny homage to Werner Herzog's The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans. Made me laugh. IMO, it makes up for the dialog-heavy scene that it appears in.

Gen Urobuchi's Psycho-Pass gave me everything I wanted in a good cyberpunk story, and didn't leave out any of the elements that make cyberpunk what it is. That, and he likes Herzog. I am now a dedicated fan.


Im going to face palm myself. But it honestly looks like the average anime fan has a memory of about 3 seconds. Thats why PMM is so lauded while a show it pretty much comes as close to copying as possible in Shadowstar Nartaru languishes. Well it also had moe.

How can you say you like steam punk and act like Japanese wrtiters and anime creators have never touched the subject. Jesus Christ even Miyazaki has a lot of steam punk influence in several of his works.

Then I dont know have you ever heard of titles like Akira, Steamboy, and Metropolis. And there are plenty of other works that present issues like nannies states a lot better than this turd, like UnGo for one.

Pyscho Pass is a pretty unremarkable show thats pretty poorly written and constructed, yet for some reason it receives this ungodly praise for almost no reason.

Even if in theory this was the first work of this type ever released, the basic concepts underlying the system in this world are so nonsensical it has to make one wonder how the author got away with the concepts.
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Personally I think Urobuchi is the best writer in the anime shows industry, however I did felt a bit disappointed by the ending of PP.

I felt like they should have ended the spoiler[story of Makishima in episode 16.

It had the perfect ending.

And from there on the focus should have switched to them trying to take down The Sibyl System.

But instead they've kept dragging the Makishima story... I never understood why Makishima was so obsessive over Kougami. Kougami only wanted to kill Makishima, he never cared about his ideals.

Also I never cared about Kougami's motivation for revenge since we never got to know that person Kougami lost.

We did get to know Yuki, I cared about her and the fact that she died. So if anything I wanted to see *Akane* take revenge over Makishima, *not* Kougami. That's why the ending for that story in episode 16 was such a perfect stopping point for the chase after Makishima, IMO.]
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How can you say you like steam punk and act like Japanese wrtiters and anime creators have never touched the subject. Jesus Christ even Miyazaki has a lot of steam punk influence in several of his works.

HAHAHAH steam punk.I like how you make want to make yourself look like an expert here while you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
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Then I don't know have you ever heard of titles like Akira, Steamboy, and Metropolis. And there are plenty of other works that present issues like nannies states a lot better than this turd, like UnGo for one.

Oh yeah great stuff you have here ,putting Steamboy and Akira in same category.This wouldnt have been an issue if you indeed have actually read what tuxedocat was writing and googled it.But no you just had to go rant how the show is bad without giving reason as to why is that true.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:37 pm Reply with quote
CrownKlown wrote:
tuxedocat wrote:
Being a long-time fan of cyberpunk...Most of the cyberpunk authors ...Gen Urobuchi's Psycho-Pass gave me everything I wanted in a good cyberpunk story,


Im going to face palm myself. How can you say you like steam punk ...even Miyazaki has a lot of steam punk


You're the guy that makes a spectacle out of himself every time he posts something.

I would recommend that you stop face-palming so hard since it is obviously causing brain damage.


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The start of Psycho-Pass was really clunky, but by the end I was impressed by it. spoiler[I was glad that the system was not taken down. Not because it is a good system - it sucks - but because as Akane rightly pointed out to take it out would be worse that leaving it alone. I was also pleasantly surprised to see that the system itself admitted it wasn't perfect and that it wouldn't mind being replaced by a better one. Normally in these sorts of stories the systems are clearly evil, but this one wasn't. Sure it did evil things, like killing witnesses, but it wasn't evil in itself. Sibyl wanted the best for humanity, and decided to recruit Akane to make that happen.]

I thought this was a very smartly-written story and I enjoyed it for what it was.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:23 pm Reply with quote
Kazemon15 wrote:
Tanteikingdomkey wrote:
I would have enjoyed the show more if kogami's every action and movement did not scream BISHONEN!


Now, the trick question is, who is more bishounen, Kougami Shinya or Hibari Kyoya. ...no that is not a trick question. Laughing


oh the answer is obviously kogami , hibari is atleast a minor character which makes him infinitely more tolerable. not to mention the camera constantly trying to make him a model or something.
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