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NEWS: UK Judge Rejects Studios' Demand for File-Sharing Profits


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ConanSan



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:41 am Reply with quote
Huh.

We have sane judges?
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blaizevincent



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:43 am Reply with quote
I agree with the judge wholeheartedly. On youtube for example alot of Creativity has been stumped by the fact that Copyright Claims are running rampant. Destroying freedom of expression.

All that aside though, frankly considering how much money these studios make I find it hard to feel sorry for them. Everyone involved within the successful part of Hollywood is super rich
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:54 am Reply with quote
Even if you support copyright, something like this is a much more rational position, stopping the infringement, but not sueing someone to their graveyards (or worse, jailing them like Japan)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:47 am Reply with quote
How are they gonna track binary newsgroups? Laughing

But the litigation shut down Newzbin anways.
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Nocturne123



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:30 am Reply with quote
I agree with the Judge, but why couldnt there be middle ground? I really dont see how ruling in their favor when the site was essentially just giving you links to download a movie, would have stopped creativity. Putting up a video on Youtube that is non profit and a fan made is completely different from literally taking someone else's work and hurting said company.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:37 pm Reply with quote
Saying 'piracy is theft' is a stupid idea and so is the notion of 'intellectual property' if you think about it.

And I don't care about big distributors either, but its giant corporations who are hurt less by large scale, high profile piracy than are things like independent cinema that people don't buy casually from the shelf.

The sort of people who whine about 'innovation and creativity' like mega-piracy is standing up for the little guy live on another planet.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:40 pm Reply with quote
"..that could have a chilling effect on innovation and creativity"

I can't help wondering if he did that intentionally?
http://www.chillingeffects.org/
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:32 pm Reply with quote
faintsmile1992 wrote:
Saying 'piracy is theft' is a stupid idea and so is the notion of 'intellectual property' if you think about it.

And I don't care about big distributors either, but its giant corporations who are hurt less by large scale, high profile piracy than are things like independent cinema that people don't buy casually from the shelf.

The sort of people who whine about 'innovation and creativity' like mega-piracy is standing up for the little guy live on another planet.
The notion that you are entitled to something for free is a joke. You did nothing that entitles you. There is no justification for piracy except you didn't want to pay. "But what if I literally can't buy it due to country etc?" That still doesn't entitle you to see or play said content.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:40 pm Reply with quote
faintsmile1992 wrote:
Saying 'piracy is theft' is a stupid idea and so is the notion of 'intellectual property' if you think about it.


Sure, if you think you can get by in our society without money. If I've worked hard on something, let's say a book, I expect to be compensated for it. You can't just have my book for free. I'd love for you to read my book. But I also need money. I certainly wouldn't want you copying my book and publishing it as your own either. I wrote it and then you came along and took credit for it? No. Not a chance. Eliminate our need for money, and maybe what you're saying will hold some ground.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:25 am Reply with quote
Like any one of those companies would get a penny back anyway. A UK judge with common sense? Who'd a thought? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:42 pm Reply with quote
I can't really agree with the judges decision, unlike it seems most of you. If this was a case of IP infringement sure I would make a similar decision. However this is pure and simple blatant copyright infringement. E.g. they (the website in question) are simply reproducing and profiting off someone elses work with no creative input of their own.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:40 pm Reply with quote
oblivious247 wrote:
Sure, if you think you can get by in our society without money. If I've worked hard on something, let's say a book, I expect to be compensated for it. You can't just have my book for free. I'd love for you to read my book. But I also need money. I certainly wouldn't want you copying my book and publishing it as your own either. I wrote it and then you came along and took credit for it? No. Not a chance. Eliminate our need for money, and maybe what you're saying will hold some ground.
You're conflating actual property with the various types of monopoly known as "IP". Infringing your monopoly isn't theft, no matter how much Hollywood whines about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:18 am Reply with quote
faintsmile1992 wrote:
Saying 'piracy is theft' is a stupid idea and so is the notion of 'intellectual property' if you think about it.


How is intellectual property a stupid idea? Maybe the name is dumb but there are many things that a person can create where the actual intangible good is the product. These things deserve to be protected just as much as tangible goods do.

I'll never get the dislike for art that people have and the idea that the works artists create deserve no protection under the law. That it should be this dog eat dog world where someone can take an author's book, copy the words and sell it as their own creation with the justification being that they didn't steal anything physical and tangible, so it's a legal free for all.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:40 am Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
oblivious247 wrote:
Sure, if you think you can get by in our society without money. If I've worked hard on something, let's say a book, I expect to be compensated for it. You can't just have my book for free. I'd love for you to read my book. But I also need money. I certainly wouldn't want you copying my book and publishing it as your own either. I wrote it and then you came along and took credit for it? No. Not a chance. Eliminate our need for money, and maybe what you're saying will hold some ground.
You're conflating actual property with the various types of monopoly known as "IP". Infringing your monopoly isn't theft, no matter how much Hollywood whines about it.

It is as far as I'm concerned. No one has any business selling my work as their own.
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Polycell



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:59 am Reply with quote
The problem is that making copies usually doesn't involve your property. What you're asking for is for people to be forbidden from arranging their property in a given pattern because you came up with it first, which is along the same lines as competing with the postal service to deliver first class letters.

Of course, if ethical arguments don't do it for you there's the small fact that absolutely nowhere in the world is infringing on a copyright prosecuted as theft.
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