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quoththeraven
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:34 pm
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Hey folks, new to these boards, just wanted to kick start my time on ANN by asking a question near and dear to my heart:
What's your favorite Mystery anime? I've been a fan of these things since Detective Conan! But i also like long drawn out non episodic things like GITS: Stand Alone Complex.
And what do you think is necessary to make a good mystery anime awesome?
Okok, per the wishes of the Idol who wants to be human, i'll put my own thoughts up.
Anime for adults gets a bad rap because people think the word adult = hentai.
Mystery anime, along with a few other genres, defies that silly categorization.
And i think the most important thing for a mystery anime is not to get too gimmicky. The more the mystery gets fantastical, with things like multiple usage of Time Travel, the less its about the mystery.
I'm not saying a good mystery can't have supernatural elements, cyborg soldiers, or what not. But there's gotta be a kind of logic to the story that can't be defied, or else its just a fantasy tale dressed up like a mystery.
hey Key - is this thread good to go now?
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Key
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:44 pm
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This thread is borderline lock-worthy. It's not technically a recommendation thread, as you seem to be aiming more for a discussion of mystery-themed anime rather than recommendations, but it is also a forum requirement to state your own opinions up front when asking for opinions of others; this gives those who follow a better point of reference for what you want to see and pushes the thread away from being just a list thread (which we don't allow).
I will give the OP a little while to edit the first post appropriately. If this is done within the next few hours then the thread won't be locked.
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LordofNoe
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:14 pm
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My favorite mystery anime would have to be Spiral. Detective Conan was good too, but I liked the twist that Spiral gives for its plot better, even though the anime doesn't go far enough to explain what the overarching secret is, like the manga. Some could say it's gimmicky because the main character (Ayumu) is an angsty teen that is the only one able to save a group (in this case, the Blade Children). However, this is mostly the case in giant mecha anime, and I can't think of any other mystery anime that fits the bill. Any other opinions?
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Kruszer
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:02 pm
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Well, you can't have a mystery anime thread without mentioning Monster. It's one of more better known and highest rated. It's basically 74 episodes of pure story gold. It revolves around a Japanese doctor working in Germany who's framed for murder and attempts to track down the real killer by becoming a fugitive.
Quote: | And what do you think is necessary to make a good mystery anime awesome? |
Good writing. The series isn't going to be entertaining if the mystery isn't compelling. For this aim, you need a story that keeps a balance between making progress and keeping the viewer interested in the story by keeping up that element of mystery. Good and interesting characters help immensely too.
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thewrll
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:13 am
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I dont know if this anime would count but I would have to say Blackjack 21. It is the successor to the original blackjack. It is very entertaining about a rouge doctor who has to find out the mysteries behind some of the weirdest cases.
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DuskyPredator
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:20 am
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I probzbly have not seen a lot but maybe if it counts Death Note, has a some good mystery even if it is trying to figure out what a character's plan is or that the others looking for the answer.
Or maybe Pandora hearts, I have enjoyed it quite a bit so far, and the mystery is quire fun.
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quoththeraven
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:44 am
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Dudes (or Ladies), thanks for the comments, but can i make a small request.
With the anime you think is good, could you also tell me why? I mean, what makes Blackjack 21 stand out in your mind?
As for that comment, heck, i list GITS: SAC as a mystery even though its usually lumped together with cyberpunk and futurism.
In spite of that, the Laughing Man case and the Individual Eleven do count as pretty good mysteries.
But maybe there should be a distinction? Mystery anime vs. Animes with good mysteries?
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thewrll
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:04 pm
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Blackjack 21 because of the character depth. Also because of the weird cases. Cases that would never happen in real life but in anime are exceptional. He also has to use tools that he finds around him because he lost his medical license and cant practice in a hospital.
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Wu Ming
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:06 pm
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Kruszer said it best. The key element for any good mystery, is well, a good mystery.
Good writing and plot are necessities for mystery fiction, moreso than other genres. Special effects, music, or eye-candy can make up for bad writing in some cases, but mystery fiction can rely on no such crutches. It ultimately has to have a strong sense of substance, a premise that sucks you right in.
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Ktimene's Lover
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:29 pm
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Chaos Head was pretty hard for me to understand because the otaku protagonist has delusions that seem to become real. Also, with these delusions, it's hard to tell who is helping him and who is wanting to harm him.
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Zin5ki
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:31 pm
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Quoth the Raven:
Quote: | As for that comment, heck, i list GITS: SAC as a mystery even though its usually lumped together with cyberpunk and futurism.
In spite of that, the Laughing Man case and the Individual Eleven do count as pretty good mysteries.
But maybe there should be a distinction? Mystery anime vs. Animes with good mysteries? |
I myself don't make any such distinction. A futuristic setting need entail nothing of the narrative content, provided one can abstract the latter from any technological devices in play.
On such a note, I hold Patlabor The Movie in high regards. At no point does the unfolding mystery become too complicated to be of any entertainment value, but at the same time there remains what I'd best describe as a sense of awe at what the film's antagonist has managed to premeditate. As each node of exposition helps unravel the scheme that has been laid out, the nuanced screenplay begins to justify its motive to a degree.
Mecha are an added bonus.
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Ktimene's Lover
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:19 pm
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Evangelion has aspects of mystery anime because so many WTF moments and very psychological with the Eva pilots representing id, ego, and superego. It's also hard to understand some of the religious and philosophical aspects.
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LordofNoe
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:54 pm
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I'm sitting on the fence about Evangelion, but there is definitely plenty of mystery involved, even if it takes a back seat. Actually, a lot of good anime need a sense of mystery (if you think about it, even Fruits Basket has a mystery element, although it'd never be marketed solely on that element), so I like to make the distinction between "Full Frontal Mystery" and "Can I Order A Side Of Mystery With That?" Some people, however, believe the first version to be solely detective anime. This isn't exactly true, as with Blackjack 21, a medical mystery.
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Kruszer
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:05 pm
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Ctimene's Lover wrote: | Chaos Head was pretty hard for me to understand because the otaku protagonist has delusions that seem to become real. Also, with these delusions, it's hard to tell who is helping him and who is wanting to harm him. |
I found that to be part of the fun though. Not exactly a shining example of anime but a decent watch nonetheless.
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Skylark
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:58 pm
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Hrm. With that particular example, the visual novel it was based on was even harder because every time something happened you would have to decide to accept or reject it in your mind and a LOT of things are delusions, but you can't tell until later when it's too late lol. I didn't watch too much of the anime, though; having played through the game that many times I just couldn't bring myself to listen to the protagonist one more damn time.
I would consider Death Note to be an intellectual mystery type anime (since the thing is basically about how Light evades capture and how L/Mello/Near go about the capture), and I found it to be an awesome series (probably one of the best I've seen to date).
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