Forum - View topicCox Internet is now watching anime fansub torrents.
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tankiller
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Before you read the whole story, let me make it clear that I DO buy anime/manga when it goes for retail in the US. I own well over 2500$ worth. Go to the local library weekly to barrow manga's, Am a Netflix member, and Buy off Amazon.com monthly. Now; On with the story:
I was downloading some fan-subbed anime from Japan. Nothing strange, been doing it for years now. I don't brake the law, if its from Japan and I can't buy it, I download the fansub. Once it comes to the States, I rent it via Netflix; Buy it via Amazon.com However today I got this strange message (See attached image) That Phantom ~ Requiem For The Phantom Was copyrighted via the DMCA. Perhaps because I missed this: Funimation Streams Phantom ~ Requiem for the Phantom Anime (Update 2) That Funimation had bought the rights to it I was braking the law, but this is just retard as you can't even buy it in America yet. The Cox guy on the phone didn't even have a list that tells me what anime fan-subs I can and can not download. To think now that Every anime fansub, every hentia, every manga that is not sold in the US is somehow DMCA is insane. Good god man, WTF comes to mind with Cox. http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3483/coxy.jpg [EDIT: Changed the image to a link since it was stretching the screen. Names of unacceptably-mentioned sites also nerfed. - Key] |
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PetrifiedJello
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First, edit your post to link to the image. It's stretching the screen.
Second, read the message from Cox. It says you have files on your computer. Remove them, and the problem goes away. Third, the sites you mentioned are not going to pose you a problem because you can't download from them. There's a big difference between streaming and downloading. By downloading, you risk this type of message, especially if your P2P software is open to sharing. Worse, you subject yourself to be prosecuted by the law. If I were you, I'd delete those files yesterday. Of all this, though, I'd be curious to know who contacted Cox regarding your account. I find it surprising they mentioned the file by name, w/extension. You may want to check your PC for software running which is scanning your hard drive and reporting information back to Cox. Just in case. However, I believe this to be a clear indication a fan sub site was ordered to release all IP information regarding site access. Proof, once again, there's no such thing as being anonymous while on the internet. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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The problem here is that you downloaded a licensed anime fansub. Downloading torrents is the easiest way for anyone to track what you're downloading, downloading from FTP, IRC bots, or other direct-downloads is pretty much nigh-untraceable. Torrents set themselves up for anyone to jump in and record your IP address, thus, making it ridiculously easy for you to be caught. So avoid filesharing of popular things in the future.
Also, the notice was sent to you mostly because the DMCA requires them to send it to you. They don't want to lose your business by selling you out to other companies, but this is becoming a hassle for them as well. |
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tankiller
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Nope, it gave me a reference number to give Cox and had to have the whole "DMCA, illegal downloads, cant do it, ect; talk" Then he reset my modem and gave me a warning saying not to upload again.
Actually you can download from all the sites listed. Youtube and Crunchroll you just use FlashGet/Got. Any manga site you can download the images. And NtooFan is direct download fansubs, so ah..
Like I said, 100% of the anime I download are fan-subs, from Japan. That are viewed free off TV for Japan folks, then encoded, fan-subbed and brought state-site. So In my eye, till it: 1) The rights to it get bought via an American company 2) You can legaly buy it in American I see no laws being broken. It's like if you where to use Boxxy + Apple TV to download a recent Lost Ep, that shows for free, to your Apple TV box. Where is the law braking in that?
[i]Theirs been talk of Cox/Comcast useing GrapeVine; some new snooping filter that can see what you do online. Guess this proves they are useing it now./i] |
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PetrifiedJello
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Do you know the difference between upload and download? You're sharing files. You got caught. It's as simple as that.
No, you can't. The legit sites don't have a download button. Just because 3rd party software allows you to do it is irrelevant. The point is: What you're downloading, you're also uploading. That's why you got the message. If you can't understand this, then expect your account to be closed by Cox.
I'm going to be frank here: This is irrelevant, but it's quite clear you are participating in the sharing. I could care less if you watch it. Hell, many of us do. But to engage in sharing it is where many draw the line, including myself. Let the site take the hit should they get into trouble. Tankiller, you're leaving yourself wide open for a massive civil lawsuit over just one file which has been confirmed to have been uploaded. If you want to risk this, that's your call. But it makes this thread moot if you continue arguing points brought to you. |
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MokonaModoki
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Well, first of all, you're just plain wrong if you think that there's no difference between authorized and unauthorized distribution. This should be incredibly obvious. If you "download" any material copyrighted anywhere by use of bittorrent software then you are also uploading to other users. The breaking of the law occurs in the distribution, not the downloading. This is true no matter what it costs in Japan or its licensing status. The only difference is whether or not anyone cares that you are breaking the law.
No it doesn't. Have you ever LOOKED at your bittorrent software at work? That list of IP addresses that you're downloading from is a list of people distributing the software. Your IP appears in one of those lists for everyone downloading from you. A well-trained monkey could have tagged you for what you were doing, and there's no reason to believe that monkey worked for Comcast. By your own admission it's something you do all the time - something LOTS of people do all the time. You just drew the short stick and got tagged for it. There's nothing unusual about this. |
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Showsni
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Don't you mean you couldn't care less? If you could care less, that implies you do care, possibly a great deal. |
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tankiller
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Ok so back up a bit, are we saying that downloading any fansub is braking the law or only select ones? Because I been doing this for years and this is the first time I've ever had an issue.
I know downloading movies, music made in America is illegal, as is Software and Games. But a fansub not yet for retail in America? |
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EvanUnisil
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So many people say it like that (I could care less). I just don't get how you could get the two mixed up, think about it for two seconds and you realize how wrong you are when you say it like that. |
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Well, I think they need to get their facts straight. I pay monthly for Crunchyroll and it is cesspool of piracy anymore. It'd suck to get in trouble for actually following the law. Outside of that, more power to them.
I used to watch Phantom via fansubs but I switched to the official Funimation releases once they were made available. I just don't understand the point of watching fansubs over legal subs especially when the fan version is illegal, isn't a better translation, takes longer to come out than the legit version, it's free, and the creators/licensors can make some money just by you watching it.
Whenever you're not sure, ask yourself this, "If it was a physical product, would this be legal?" If Sony didn't sell PS3s in america, would it be ok to steal one from Japan? No, of course not. |
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Showsni
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Distributing any anime without the creator's permission is illegal, yes. |
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Kruszer
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Precisely, all illegal under agreed upon international copyright law by most of the world. Under the Berne and Buenos Aires Conventions, if I recall correctly. Unless you paid an extortionate amount to import the official (non-bootlegged) Japanese discs, bought it domestically from a reputable company which licensed it, or if it was streamed over the internet on said distribution company's website, then you broke the law. It also applies to books and manga. Last edited by Kruszer on Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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PetrifiedJello
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But I do care. 
I just refrained from stating why. 
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MokonaModoki
Posts: 437 Location: Austin, Texas |
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Downloading is one thing, distribution is another. If you are using file sharing software, then you are distributing as well as downloading. If you are using software just to download, you don't have this issue. In that case the person you are downloading from is breaking the law.
Doesn't make a bit of difference where it is from. What you really need to understand is the difference between downloading and participatory distribution. Despite what the RIAA and MPAA would have you believe, downloading itself isn't defined as a violation of copyright law as distribution is. Most people using lazy software are just ignorant of the fact that they are also uploading while they download. Based on Cox's communication with you, you got in trouble for uploading, not downloading. |
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EireformContinent
 Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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The problem is that only those who have rights for downloaded anime series are interested in threaten downloaders. Unless they(or some organisations) "notice" you nobody can do it. Because of that people are not aware of the fact that using p2p programs for downloading and uploading for streaming sites things not made by them is illegal. Japanese companies have no problem with fansubs(they are not made foor Japanese;)) but right holders in USA do.
BTW- I thought that Crunhyroll is now legal (but terribly unfair- tell me why if I pay the same amount of money like USA kid I am not able to see all series that he can watch?) |
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