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PR: Sentai Filmworks "Persona 4 The Animation"




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manhiem



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:05 pm Reply with quote
This is just sad. It's so obvious that this is because of reverse importation fears. I guess when your entire industry hangs on your customers paying grossly inflated prices for your product, you fight to protect that pricing scheme with everything you have. Sad

Makes me wonder why they bothered to put Japan and the US in the same Blu-ray region code. They should have just stayed with the same region codes as the DVDs. Or, do you suppose that the Japanese consumer wanted to be able to play American BDs...? Nah, couldn't be.
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dewlwieldthedarpachief



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:02 pm Reply with quote
lol@export prohibited. What does that even mean? "H-Hey you guys don't do that! We prohibited it stooopppp..."
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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:55 pm Reply with quote
manhiem wrote:
This is just sad. It's so obvious that this is because of reverse importation fears. I guess when your entire industry hangs on your customers paying grossly inflated prices for your product, you fight to protect that pricing scheme with everything you have. Sad


It's not really inflated if that's the norm. Home video is a premium market in Japan. Japanese live-action stuff gets the same treatment.

And region codes mean nothing. A quick google search and you can get around it easily.
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Mesonoxian Eve



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:05 pm Reply with quote
manhiem wrote:
Makes me wonder why they bothered to put Japan and the US in the same Blu-ray region code. Or, do you suppose that the Japanese consumer wanted to be able to play American BDs...? Nah, couldn't be.

Actually, this is exactly why Japan and the US share the same region code in bluray. Sony was a co-developer of the technology.

The same Sony that's also one of Hollywood's leading movie distributors.

Did I mention Sony also owns Aniplex, this distributor people are ragging on of late?

It's not a coincidence at all.

Oh, and one more piece of information which will really get your head scratching: region coding on bluray is optional.

I would suspect the reason why region codes have become used is because HDMI encryption was broken. Want the key?
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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:14 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
And region codes mean nothing. A quick google search and you can get around it easily.

You are absolutely right. And if the recent tweets on the UK distributor's(Kaze UK) official channel are anything to go by, there might still be hope;
http://twitter.com/#!/KazeUK
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So in short, currently no request here to alter our usual release mode (JP + EN) due to different region codes on BD to Japan.
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We have received no request to alter our usual options for Persona 4. If requested to removed JP language we will say...

And yes, it's about the UK BD version.
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Sunday Silence



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:15 pm Reply with quote
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
lol@export prohibited. What does that even mean? "H-Hey you guys don't do that! We prohibited it stooopppp..."


I doubt Japanese Customs would even give a frell about it.

"Blu-Ray....Blu-Ray.......Blu-Ray.......Drugs *shoved to side*...........Blue-Ray....."
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Wakazhi



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:59 pm Reply with quote
So this is what people outside of Japan get for supporting the industry, ...at least this didn't happen to any of the shows that I actually want to buy...yet.
If anything, money is the strongest way you can speak to the industry. If you buy the blu-rays for this (not concerning the dvd's at all), then that'll just be supporting this stupid "english-dub only" marketing scheme. If you want to buy this show, I don't see any problem with buying the DVD version, but buying the blu-ray is only going to tell the Japanese licensor that it's okay to do this, which it is not okay, at least not to people that know how to read.
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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:38 pm Reply with quote
Wakazhi wrote:
So this is what people outside of Japan get for supporting the industry ...


Supporting the American anime industry, maybe. The R1 market isn't really relevant at all to Japan as people would like you to believe.
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Wakazhi



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:40 am Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
Wakazhi wrote:
So this is what people outside of Japan get for supporting the industry ...


Supporting the American anime industry, maybe. The R1 market isn't really relevant at all to Japan as people would like you to believe.


I know that the money for a Sentai Filmworks release is given to Sentai Filmworks, an American company and not Japan, and that Sentai Filmworks already paid the Japanese company for the licensing of whatever show they get.

I disagree with you about Japan not being that relevant to the R1 market though, especially since Japan sells blu-rays with the same region-code as America. And how are they not relevant if we're getting these shows from "them". They have the right to say that we can't sell blu-rays of some shows (cough..Kadokawa..cough), and that's just one example of how decisions made from a Japanese company can effect the anime market in the U.S.
There's a few shows I wanted to buy but changed my mind when I found out that those particular shows weren't getting a blu-ray over here.
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TitanXL



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:48 am Reply with quote
Er, I said America's market isn't relevant to Japan, not the opposite. As in Japan's not relying on foreign sales to make money or make decisions based on what happens here or anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:48 am Reply with quote
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
lol@export prohibited. What does that even mean? "H-Hey you guys don't do that! We prohibited it stooopppp..."
That means that the original retailers aren't allowed to ship it out of Anglo North America. A reseller could buy it from them and sell to Japan, though(and that's probably how Amazon.co.jp's going to get its copies).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:12 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
As in Japan's not relying on foreign sales to make money or make decisions based on what happens here or anything.


And see I don't necessarily believe that anymore, I've heard from a few voice actors at cons over the last few years (whether or not they were lied to I can't say but they are closer then any of us to the product and the companies putting them out) that MANY projects over there need the licensing money from distrubutors around the world to just be able to FINISH, and in a world economy that is less then stellar, I'm inclined to believe that.

So we aren't just another licensing territory anymore to them, if we don't buy the product, the R1 licensor doesn't ask for more licenses, which in turn means some companies can't finish anime, which means they don't make money

Is every production studio like that? No, but if we up and dropped licensing altogether,The amount of Anime coming out would slow way the hell down
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RyanSaotome



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:16 pm Reply with quote
Dagon123 wrote:
the amount of Anime coming out would slow way the hell down


Yeah, thats why more anime is being produced than ever while Americas anime industry has become less and less significant over the years. Back when America actually mattered (like early 2000s) there were half of the shows being produced they have now.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:23 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
Er, I said America's market isn't relevant to Japan, not the opposite. As in Japan's not relying on foreign sales to make money or make decisions based on what happens here or anything.


Citations or don't post it. As I've stated in the past, your anti-west soapboxing is getting old. Cite the source or it's just more irrelevant soapboxing from Titan. Heck, this entire discussion along these lines so far is nothing but conjecture, yet people are using this as justification and it's laughable at best.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:27 pm Reply with quote
And should anime production start to slow down, it'll only return to pre-boom numbers, normalcy. The American market isn't totally irrelevant, it does have a small bit of influence, but not enough to affect anything as far as season TV anime go. Perhaps some OVAs and films might be direct results, or Marvel and DC will commission a series, but that's about the extent of our power.

I refuse to believe that licensing money is all that important. Look at hentai, NOTHING has been licensed in about 3 years aside from low-budget Vanilla Series crap, and yet there's more hentai anime coming now out than ever, and it's improving in overall quality. Maybe hentai anime is an unrelated market, or maybe it's a microcosm of the current industry trends. They even had the same issues: "We can't license these things out because our domestic fanbase will want to buy the cheap/uncensored American products instead. We can however, license to the Germans because they absolutely ruin the product with their incompetent video rendering, not to mention PAL/NTSC issues. Our fanbase won't be buying those, so it's a risk-free investment."
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