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GATSU
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Tempest: I thought that prostitution in Japan is ok, but having sex with a prostitute under 18 is illegal. (At least only because of recent legistlation.)
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Tempest
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Hmm... I'm not sure, lemme double check. |
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Tempest
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Found my answer.
This is from an extremely good paper on child prostitution in Japan that can be found here and the fact is cited as coming from a book called "Teen Prostitution in Japan: Regulation of Telephone Clubs." by Morrison, Andrew D.pubished in 1998. And apparrently, according to this paper, the legal age is "as young as 12 in Tokyo" (the legal age for sex, not prostitution). |
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RantingOtaku
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[quote="Tempest"]
first part is normal for male's in general, and worded so perfectly. age of consent here is 14 as far as I know it's always been 18... not that it stops anybody. |
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Tempest
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Age of consent in Canada is 14 with restrictions. Most Canadians are unaware of this law and simply assume that it is the same as what they see on american TV shows. Same can be said for most Canadian laws. It is illegal for a person in a position of power or influence (ie: Family member, teacher, baby sitter, boss, interviewer, potentially a friend of the family) to have sex with a person between the ages of 14 and 17. However, should the person be in no position to unfairly intimidate or influence the minor into having sex with them it is perfectly legal. -t Last edited by Tempest on Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:25 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mohawk52
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CorneredAngel
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As has been shown many a time, you can get away with quite a lot by calling it "art"/of artistic importance. Also, best I can recall, Perfect Blue did *not* actually feature genitalia on screen. It's sort of paradoxical in light of my above statement, but it appears that in the eyes of the court, what matters is what's actually on the page, pure and simple.
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Lost_Toys
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[/quote]I guess Perfect Blue slipped through the net of the pubic police then.[/quote]
As far as Perfect Blue is concerned, her photo shoots, which had pubic hair in them, where not done in a "sexual nature." It has been recently that the laws have loosened [as stated before] and can be seen in many forms of pornography and mainstream media now. However, when it stops being common nudity, it is still censored out. Additionally, if anyform of the genetalia can be discerned, then it will be censored in all forms. If you look at any photos by Mask Melon, you will insatantly understand how pubic hair has taken on its own form of "art." |
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Allen
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Actually, age of consent in the States varies from state to state. In Mississippi, age of consent is 14 with a ton of restrictions, such as the male being no more than 5 - 6 years older than the female. Also, prostitution is legal in some areas, such as Nevada where quite a few legitimate brothels are run. As for why I know the age of consent in different states, I was in the Air Force and had to brief a lot of new airman coming into the service. Invariably, one would always ask what the age of consent was for the local area. As for the prostitution thing, I blame my insomnia and HBO late night programming. |
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Tempest
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Essentially the answer I was about to give, thanks for saving me some time. |
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Mohawk52
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Yes that is true, but I don’t recall that report saying that the said “genitalia” was being portrayed in a sexually penetrative situation. Just that "Bodies were drawn in a lifelike manner with little attention to concealment (of genitalia), making for sexually explicit expression and deeming the book pornographic matter," Mr Nakatani said. Now the same could be ideally said for Perfect Blue as well as it has crossed this apparent line by this definition, which just highlights just how extraordinary this ruling appears. I’d be interested in seeing if the ruling is upheld in the appeal case. |
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RantingOtaku
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just dusted off my copy of the criminal code.... man there are some weird laws in there. as far as I'm concerned people can do what they want, as long as they are prepared to accept the consequences, be it legally, monetary, medically etc. heh, even in my law classes we were told it was 18, never mentioned anything else... maybe he didn't want to start a debate |
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Kanna no Mai
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I remember I was reading a article that Japanese censor laws are becoming more strict. According to the article, public Japanese TV is banned of showing nudity, only cable and satellite channels are allowed. Take Inuyasha for example, in the manga Kagome, in some scenes, shows her boobies, but in the anime she doesn't because Inuyasha is aired in public television, Yomiuri TV. The censorship laws are even strict with violence also.
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Lost_Toys
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it depends on how the genetalia was portrayed in the manga in question. In Perfect Blue, it was rather artistic, and handled well. That is, there were no instances where you could make out anatomical parts of her anatomy when it came to the full shots. The pubic hair, in essence, was the "concealment" which is obviously lacking in this manga. It is presumable that this manga is not of hentai, therefore, the normal channels of obtaining manga can be used [ie. nonisolated sections for adults]. If this is the case, and the images of the human body were displayed "too realisticly" for the type of publication, the courts will find some problem with it. Once again, we lack a lot of information about the case in order to correctly asses the situation. We dont know how the genetalia was used [was it male or female? What part?] so our arguments are pretty moot due to conjecture. |
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BrianRuh
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It's very interesting that a discussion about this one ruling about an "obscene" manga quickly turned to the topic of lolicon and the age of consent. To end the speculation -- yes, the manga in question ("Misshitsu") is very graphic, but it contains no representations of underage characters.
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