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Loli discussion

The past 9 or so pages of this topic is a perfect example of why I hate to use Japanese-originated words in English language.

Who knows what the context I'm using the word in could actually mean? It certainly doesn't actually make sense and chances are I don't actualy know where the word comes from.

Using words like loli and lolicon and moe are just lazy insertions of short Japanese words to get thoughts across and don't necessarily have any sort of specific meaning in English since they are, in fact, Japanese words and only people who speak Japanese regularly know what they might literally mean.

Not to mention I think it's annoying myself.

In an effort to take this subject out of the other threads, here you go guys, a loli thread for you. Talk about your opinions, likes and dislikes etc. about it. If anybody starts needlessly flaming others or gets hostile, this thread gets locked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon

The Japanese have even found interest in our recent loli discussions (why do you think that thread has over 14,000 views?).

I stated closed/gutter minded people for a very good reason. Most closed minded people won't bother to look up something and learn about it and would rather play by stereotypes (kind of ironic to state this cause it can also be assumed that this statement is in itself closed minded and stereotypical) than actually learn about the topic in question, while open minded people are more open to research and learn about a topic, in general. Then there's the gutter minded people who think everything is about sex and drugs....it's a given that most of them would think it's smut. Of course I'm not saying only closed/gutter minded people will associate it to porno, just that they are the most likely to do so, mostly out of ignorance of the subject, or just plain stupidity, both of which are a rising problem in the United States (I mean seriously, how many Americans don't know that a foot is 12 inches -_-).

psycho 101 wrote:

Yes I did post what I felt loli is but since people can't find it themselves I'll re-post what I said. I said until I came to this forum I always thought loli was simply anime/manga that depicted young females, as in underaged girls. I never considered once until I came here it had anything sexual in nature to it. People keep clumping loli hentai in the same category as loli. They are 2 different products and people should understand that. That's all I'm gonna type so I don't make yet another long boring rant.

Sorry I couldn't find your post-- I really did re-peruse the lat 10 pages before I posted. I must have missed it.

Still though-- you've given no retort to my statement that "loli" and lolita is an obviously sexualized word in current American culture. Your personal experience is entirely valid, psych 101, but I think you must realize that that's obviously not how most people understand those words, right? It's like... I dunno... calling a black person a "nig" and then saying you didn't really mean the n-word, but that it has a whole different meaning instead. That may be true for that person, but no one's going else is going to think that-- they're all going to presume you meant otherwise because of the history of the word related to the word you're using. It's the same with the usage of loli-- it's silly to get angry at people who presume you mean loli hentai when you use it, as that's pretty much what it seems to be shorthand for.

Edit: Also, this pretty much gives backing to our side of the fence's definition (let's face it, this isn't exactly the most moe of things, but tends to get turned into it, thanks somewhat to Primula and a lot to Karin's lil sister ;D

Psych 101, and others with like opinions--

I understand where you're coming from, I do-- but.... look-- you find people being presumptuous, and it annoys you, and you'd like them not to jump to conclusions, as you feel like we do in general in our current society. All of which is fine. But I still stand by my earlier statement about language-- if I say spic, or rag head, or some other such word, or pedo, etc. you're all going to know what I'm talking about, and it's going to carry all those connotations-- immediately open viewing them, for most people. I know you're not using loli in a sexually charged way, but others, when they hear that word, are going to presume it is charged that way automatically, because that's the connotation it currently carries in this culture from the get go.

You're just fighting an uphill battle, seems to me, if you're getting annoyed at people for making snap judgments when you use a word like loli. Just look at the reaction you've gotten here on this board-- even many anime watchers think it's sexually charged, because its so linked to a word that carries a super taboo sexual meaning in English. Going around getting annoyed at people because they think you mean blue when you say blue, but you actually mean a slightly different shade.... well, that's just going against the grain..

Uphill battle maybe but I don't simply give up or switch my views because they're not the majority or popular.

It's not that some of us feel like we're being attacked (personally I don't care what the people in my community feel about me cause most of them are rich Republican-Christians that do anything for money, no offense to republicans or christians in general, but these are the kind of people that try to force their beliefs on you) but rather we want more people to understand that there's many variations of loli and that most of it is not hentai. the goth-loli example was more for people such as Mohawk, who seem to think that all loli is bad, which is simply not the case. I do agree with you that this may be an uphill battle, but this is something that we cannot falter on or else we'll all ruin our reptutations because of a false stigma given by ignorant fools.