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Takkun4343
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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:54 am
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I think there may have been a misunderstanding in my correction last week. MMTM was one of the top four from SJ2, but ZEMAL being the ones making the makeshift turrets was correct. That extends to this week; ZEMAL's designated traitor is the one happy to fire off his machinegun; MMTM's is the one most p*ssed about the rule change.
Quote: | As ReoNa is Elza Kanzaki's singing voice, I like to imagine the GGO theme songs she sings as actual songs in the SAO world that Llenn likes to listen to. |
By this logic, that likely means "forget-me-not" and "ANIMA" from Alicization are in-universe Elsa Kanzaki songs, too.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 12:39 am
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Hard to imagine the traitors' choice was completely randomized when Pito, David, and Eva seem like calculated choices.
I do like how the traitors run the gamut of excited (Pito and ZEMAL guy), resigned but accepting (Eva and Elven), outright incensed (David) and willing to be a double traitor for their team (Cole).
LLENN seems so done. I'm really wondering how they're going to talk her into Squad Jam 4. Although maybe this is all building up to a classic LLENN psychotic break before she starts trying to kill everybody.
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Florete
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:51 am
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MFrontier wrote: | Hard to imagine the traitors' choice was completely randomized when Pito, David, and Eva seem like calculated choices. |
The announcement stated outright the choices weren't random. They were for "game balance."
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Emerje
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:46 am
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Florete wrote: |
MFrontier wrote: | Hard to imagine the traitors' choice was completely randomized when Pito, David, and Eva seem like calculated choices. |
The announcement stated outright the choices weren't random. They were for "game balance." |
Doesn't seem incredibly balanced when three of the members are squad leaders. Unless they're saying the remaining members are just that weak...
I kinda wish they were doing Bullet of Bullets this season, but I'm sure they're saving that for novel canon.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:17 pm
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I have to say I'm not really feeling this season, or this Squad Jam, as much as I was the previous seasons.
It just feels like they're really dragging it out, they haven't brought a lot of new things to the table other than more screentime for the other teams, LLENN has barely done anything other than just react and have nervous breakdowns, and it feels like they're just repeating themselves with LLENN vs Pito again. Like, this was supposed to be about them teaming-up and now they're just doing the season 1 conflict again minus any drama.
I did find Cole and his teams' fates kind of funny but why are Machine Gun Lovers in a team game when they only seem to care about killing people with machine guns, including themselves?
Why can't LLENN just wall run and shoot Tanya? After all the parkouring she did earlier in the season?
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Thesarum
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:06 pm
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MFrontier wrote: | I have to say I'm not really feeling this season, or this Squad Jam, as much as I was the previous seasons.
It just feels like they're really dragging it out, they haven't brought a lot of new things to the table other than more screentime for the other teams, LLENN has barely done anything other than just react and have nervous breakdowns, and it feels like they're just repeating themselves with LLENN vs Pito again. Like, this was supposed to be about them teaming-up and now they're just doing the season 1 conflict again minus any drama.
I did find Cole and his teams' fates kind of funny but why are Machine Gun Lovers in a team game when they only seem to care about killing people with machine guns, including themselves?
Why can't LLENN just wall run and shoot Tanya? After all the parkouring she did earlier in the season? |
LLENN seems really off her game in general - I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a whole thing for her, but mostly she's just done what she's told by the others while whining about it. She's had zero ideas of her own as far as I can remember, zero real resolve to do anything. This is exemplified by her inability to so much as react to the presence of SHINC or the attack on M. She's got a lot of options - she's quick, agile, an accurate shot and good with a knife. What she does is stand still in the middle of corridor like a rabbit in headlights.
If it's not "a whole thing" that's gonna get dug into, it's pretty a disappointing showing.
Pitohui is still a whole heap of fun to watch of course as she enjoys the heck out of whatever crazy shit she's up to at any moment. Which appears to be very stealthily stabbing the Betrayer team in the back.
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Emerje
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:40 pm
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The moment the teams got broken up there was really no doubt Pito is trying to set up a scenario where the final battle is between herself and LLENN. I guess the writers thought it was a clever curve ball to start them on the same side and then have them face off. It wasn't. They could have just set it up so the two have a duel at the end when they're down to two teams and that would have been a much more convincing story than the contrived one we got.
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Florete
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:32 pm
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Quote: | This episode made me more and more sure that Pitohui is not the traitor—and that the actual traitor is probably Llenn. |
I've been thinking about this, and then I remembered how the scan in the recent episode showed team LPFM where the remaining three are. Wasn't Pito their team leader? If she was, and she wasn't actually the traitor, the scan would show their team where she is, so this idea wouldn't be possible.
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Emerje
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Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:10 am
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Florete wrote: |
Quote: | This episode made me more and more sure that Pitohui is not the traitor—and that the actual traitor is probably Llenn. |
I've been thinking about this, and then I remembered how the scan in the recent episode showed team LPFM where the remaining three are. Wasn't Pito their team leader? If she was, and she wasn't actually the traitor, the scan would show their team where she is, so this idea wouldn't be possible. |
I'm pretty sure the transport drone wouldn't have left with the wrong person on it.
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Florete
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:23 am
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Episode 7
My previous post was wrong and it turns out Richard called it all along...but there was still what looks like an error of some sort. The scans seem to show the team of whoever is looking at it with yellow dots and all enemies with red dots. When David looks at the scan he sees himself, Eva, and Pito all with yellow dots, and Llenn, Fuka, and M all with red dots. This had me sure there wasn't going to be any sort of twist...but then it happened anyway. I can buy the drone just going off with whoever jumps on, but this one makes no sense.
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Thesarum
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:54 pm
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Florete wrote: | Episode 7
My previous post was wrong and it turns out Richard called it all along...but there was still what looks like an error of some sort. The scans seem to show the team of whoever is looking at it with yellow dots and all enemies with red dots. When David looks at the scan he sees himself, Eva, and Pito all with yellow dots, and Llenn, Fuka, and M all with red dots. This had me sure there wasn't going to be any sort of twist...but then it happened anyway. I can buy the drone just going off with whoever jumps on, but this one makes no sense. |
"Narrative convenience"
Also. Pito was genuinely on their team... even though she wasn't the nominated betrayer, the system allowed her to form a squad with the others. It also didn't boot LLENN from LPFM (because the others would have noticed that). Evidently the betrayer "rules" were more like a set of guidelines... They weren't enforced by any game mechanics, everyone was just expected to do as they were told. And Pito, as usual, did some crazy other thing.
The whole plot line has been pretty sloppy though.
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Florete
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:16 pm
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Thesarum wrote: | "Narrative convenience"
Also. Pito was genuinely on their team... even though she wasn't the nominated betrayer, the system allowed her to form a squad with the others. It also didn't boot LLENN from LPFM (because the others would have noticed that). Evidently the betrayer "rules" were more like a set of guidelines... They weren't enforced by any game mechanics, everyone was just expected to do as they were told. And Pito, as usual, did some crazy other thing.
The whole plot line has been pretty sloppy though. |
Yeah, I guess so.
This whole season has felt sloppy to me...which so far is just this plot line, so I agree.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:44 am
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Incredible episode. Pito is the Best. No wonder LLENN was so off her game and confused; Pito stole her spot lol. Pito Zandatsuing Daveed was so good. I love her vengeance against T-S too.
RIP poor Clara, though. She did nothing wrong! Pito, you're not human!
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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:04 pm
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There were so many better ways for them to handle that Tanya situation with M.
This Squad Jam is so thrown together they didn't even account for non-traitors taking the hover vehicle.
I have to admit I do respect Pito slowly serial killing her "team" and being just as unhinged and psychotic as she was in season 1. She's giving Freya a run for her money of craziest Yoko Hikasa antagonist of 2024.
Honestly I went from wanting T-S to get taken out quickly to actually feeling kind of bad for them, especially Elvin.
Justice for Clara!!!
Poor David did not account for dual-wielding. Though it was kind of funny how it looked like a Jedi vs a Sith in his fight against Pito.
Honestly I feel like this arc would have been improved had they gotten to this twist earlier, because now the plot actually feels interesting with LLENN having to fight her own team with Eva instead of just LLENN vs Pito 2.0. Even though it seems like this is actually ending this week. But I guess we finally have homicidal LLENN back so hopefully she can start to feel like the protagonist again.
So did LLENN know she was the traitor and just went along with Pito also being a traitor because she was confused?
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Takkun4343
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Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:01 am
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MFrontier wrote: | So did LLENN know she was the traitor and just went along with Pito also being a traitor because she was confused? |
My interpretation was that she didn't, that Pito proclaiming herself as the traitor distracted her from looking at her screen to see the truth. She kept it in mind as a theory, though, and only got confirmation when Pito said it was a three-to-one battle in a tone that suggested the battle was most definitely in her favor. Hence why LLENN's reaction upon that was "I knew it!", which I doubt she'd have said had she actually taken a good look at her terminal.
Your theory works too, I personally felt the confusion to be more from her being caught off-guard by having to fight Pito again after going to the trouble of beating her during SJ2.
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