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IanC
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woah Cant be bothered with the rest of the rant but yes there are anime fans who have never watched a fansub. Im one of them. |
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Poppycock
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same here, I prefer dubbed anime anyway. |
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kusanagi-sama
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That there may be true if you've never seen a fansub, and then buy the DVD and only listen to dubs, you don't realize that the Japanese VA's are often much better than the English VA's. However if you download fansubs, then buy the series, you often realize how crappy some of the English VA's sound for particular characters that you are used to hearing the Japanese VA's. However, there are some good dubs that have great English VA's. Examples: Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, ROD the TV, and Wolf's Rain. |
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Iron Chef
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Wow, cable TV is free in Japan? Such wonders!!!!! Shamus, even though the program is broadcast freely (not free) on TV, people still have to pay for the cable, still gotta watch the ads (as Cookie mentioned) and the TV stations also have to bid on and purchase broadcast rights for the show. Now, the money to the cable company goes into getting certain stations on their roster. The ad money keeps the stations going. And the last little chunk o' cash goes to the production houses of the show. So even though anyone with TV can watch the show (be it anime or whatever), the people who make the show are still getting money. The "fansub vs. not" debate is always a hot topic, so you'll have to forgive our byzantine ways. Nice choice of words, by the way. |
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Emerje
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You're right, they don't last forever, but the life span of the creator plus 70 years after is longer than most of us will ever live to see. And while you do have "natural rights", violating copyright laws aren't part of them.
It depends on the severity, copyright infringement can be followed with criminal proceedings as well. I'm guessing distributing fansubs to thousands of people is more criminal than civil.
And this proves what? That you can check my spelling? That that somehow adds more to your argument? Is that why you just spelled infringement wrong?
Well, I can only guess that those people have higher moral standards than you do.
You really have no respect for the law do you? Isn't being "merely illegal" enough?
Exceeding the speed limit by over 30mph is a criminal offence.
That doesn't make it right.
Or that we have a better moral upbringing. Nothing wrong with strong morals, though you sure make it look that way.
Well, I can actually agree with that to a point, but I somehow doubt you really feel that way. Emerje |
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Poppycock
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I prefer dubs because i speak english. When i have somthing that talks i want to understand the talking and not have to read it. Also, I do listen to both tracks and i really don't give a crap on how good the VAs in dubs are most of the time. As long as it's uncut and the story is still the same, the dub is fine. |
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kusanagi-sama
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I'm english, but I like listening the Japanese and english subs (I can read fairly fast), but I'll watch dubs with others.
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srintuar
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Hrm, I guess we have different definitions of morality. Copyright, not in a million years, is ever going to be a moral issue. Heeding copyright is a simple cost/benefit decision. The US and Hollywood were founded on copyright and patent infringement. The governmend at the time decided it was in its interest not to let European (mainly British) patents and copyrights hold back progress in the US. Hollywood was founded on the west coast to dodge patent issues on the east coast. We would not have this country nor the entertainment industry if we always stuck rigidly to what was "legal". |
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Iron Chef
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So it's okay to break the law as long as...what, exactly? As long as you don't get caught? As long as "no one gets hurt?" As long as it benefits you and maybe not someone else? |
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Animefan16
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Same Here. I prefer to watch something that's in a language that I can understand, than rely on some letters on the bottom screen. Animes aren't meant to be read. We have mangas for that. |
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kusanagi-sama
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I do believe its a good time to lock this thread.
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Neo_1
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Last I heard that Viz Video has the rights to Naruto |
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Emerje
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Only the manga, no one has the anime yet. If someone does have it they certainly aren't talking. Emerje |
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GuestSpeaker
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Hi, After reading this thread for an hr..and finallly reaching the end, i just put my two cents
I have been watching anime for a very long time, since the early 80's and im glad that its finally main hit the stream media 1. Fansubs-Im a big supporter of fansubs, i think these guys are the best thing to ever happen to the media, they work their butts off to ensure that they can spread the medium to as many people as possible with no regard for any compensation other than the feeling they get knowing that someone else is enjoying a show they love (in 8th grade i put japanimation as a hobby on my graduation year book and i got laughed at...thanks to these guys, everyone knows what Anime is). "Fansubbers are stealing money away from the big companies" total bull, I've been saying this in aurguments about this topic for a long time, if a show is good and people see it.THEY WILL BUY IT..if a show is crap...PEOPLE WILL FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET..fansubs provide a way for people to preview a show to see if its worth collecting..with the price of anime ranging $20-30 a dvd, no one is willing to cough up the $$$ just because they see a dvd on a store shelf..I have over 280 dvd's, region 1, legit, collected over 3 yrs...90% of those dvd's i bought because i saw fansub, loved them, BOUGHT THEM...oh ho...ADV should sue my ass cause i dl Full Metal Panic before it even came out in the US and a result bought the whole series from them, same goes for Noir, Jubei Chan, Love Hina, Please Teacher, Oh my Goddess, Vandread, Rahxephon, X, every gundan available on the U.S. (currently collecting Gundam Seed, Last Exile, GITS) If a show sucks no one will buy it, example Ninja Scroll TV, i dl the first ep and I thought i was garbage, so i deleted it and didn't buy the series, just because a show is available for it dl, it doesnt mean i obligated to buy it (some people in this thread are like that) 2)Anime is too expensive-its a big paradox right now, Anime is expensive because it has a small audience, true, but it has a small audience becuase its too expensive, they cancell each other out, which leads us in a never ending circle, why is Family Guy, Simpsons, Futurama selling, becuase for $40 u can buy a whole season, compared to $120 in anime, no kid in high school the traget age for most anime has that money, Oh wait those shows are main stream and popular, not always the case, how come for 1 seasn of GI Joe and Transformers its only $60 and their not mainstream show ( I use to work for suncoast as a second job cause i thought the discount would be great..NOT). Anime will never expand unless companies cut the price to wher thier target audeince can afford them, but they wont cut the price because Anime is still no widely viewd, but it will never be because its too expensive. If u guys are wondering how i manage to pay for all this especially that kid in the beginning "Oh im a college kid, have no money, and anime is expenive", Get a job and save ur money to support ur hobby and buy smart, deepdiscount DVD, Ebay, anywhere on sale, i think u probably spend all ur money on drinks thats why u have no money, right now im in college, 4 days a week and when im not in school im workiing at the hospital 2-3 days 12 hr shifts, during the summer i would get a second job so i have $$$, all those people complaining I have no money, get a job its that simple. 3)Funimation- the very bottom of anime companies that i like, its true that they have been getting better with their products, but the lost episodes of Dragon Ball GT kinda killed it for me(they should have named it unaired episodes of GT, lol).They do provide better subs than everyone else unilke ADV ex Full Metal Panic "Shinde Sagara" Shinde=means die ADV=Go to thell Sagara (Studying japanese right now), with the current trend Funimation is going, im sure S7 will be alright, i just wish they do more Fruits baskets release, 6 eps for $40, every good deal, or Outlaw store, is it too much to ask to actually try and use all the space available on a dvd, i know it can hold more than 4.5 gigs of date, and for god sake, trailers and short character extras does not make good substitute for actual content (ADV use be good with extras, actual production videos, dudding videos, mecha specs, now all u get a small stupid booklet)Please Funimation, fill up the dvd so i get my money's worth We'll guys its been fun, my hads are hurting from typing, I just got off from work and I've been up for 19 hrs now so im gonna end it here, time to take a shower, drive to best buy when they open, pick up Ghost in the shell vol 2, and then catch some ZZZ, later |
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Nagisa
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It also has a small audience because it's still trying to gain a solid foothold in this country. Aside from DBZ, Pokemon, and maybe one or two other FOX Kids titles, anime is still a LONG way from genuine mass market success. At the moment, it's still way too niche to adequately contend with the "mainstream television DVD market" (Family Guy, Friends, Sopranos, et al), and the domestic distributors have to compensate for the increasingly high licensing demands of the Japanese producers somehow. Using Naruto as an example, the Japanese producers are seeing that anime's becoming bigger over here, and have been demanding more & more money to license the average series...so much so that stuff like Naruto's almost unacquirable by the likes of ADV or FUNi or Geneon. The R1 anime market can't just magically turn around and offer whole series for $40 just yet. Hell, when you think about it they're just coming out of the "dark ages" where they had to stretch a series over thirteen dub-only VHS tapes for $30 a pop. From that to seven bilingual DVDs for $25 a pop in a decade is incredible progress in itself. Give it another ten years and we're almost guaranteed $40-per-series releases at the rate anime's growing. But to demand that now is crazy.
See above.
Think again. They're very popular, especially among the target audience for the DVDs: the legions of older teens to twenty-somethings who watched the shows on television back in the day. Even if they're no longer the "IT" thing, Transformers & G.I. Joe are still infinitely more recognisable in this country than anime.
Repeating yourself will not get the point across any more unless you make a better effort to back it up.
They make a few mistakes with two series (DBZ & DBGT), and you call them the "bottom of anime companies" despite their superb handling of Fruits Basket, Blue Gender, Kiddy Grade, Tenchi GXP, and their overall praiseworthy efforts on the likes of Yuu Yuu Hakusho & Detective Conan? Eh, wouldn't be the first time... And yet the rest of that paragraph was bashing ADV & praising FUNi...odd. |
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