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NEWS: Bandai: Do Not Fansub Ghost in the Shell Film

Lol I make like 2 fairly small comments and its suddenly my thread? For the record I am not trying to justify anything as I feel no moral qualnms whatsoever at the prospect of piracy nor do I in any way think myself superior to anyone because I choose to aquire things differently.

Your inevitable slavery comments make me lol tho. Not so much since its a ridiculous comparison but because I always imagine myself in a puffy shirt, eyepatch and shoulder parrot whipping a Japanese animator aboard a ship whilst shouting "What's your name!?" "Watanabe-san!" he replies, *whip* "I say its Toby!" *whip, whip, whip*

If thats not damn cool I don't know what is! (Disclaimer, before anyone gets on a rant about me triavilizing something historycal blah blah blah please notice that Keonin opened that one up with his colorful analogy.)

You misunderstand, the idea (not mine) is that content would make money not through its sale to consumers but by providing a sort of virtual add space. Think of that can of coke seen in your favorite movie but on a grander scale. Again this is just one idea and I would be interested to know what some of you think about and its feasibility.

I think setting limits on copyright timewise (say 5 years of exclusivity to make a profit) and allow legal secondary means of distribuition by third parties when they are not for profit and remain on a limited scale.

I wouldn't quite say the drive it, but yes from my own experience they have always seemed like a beneficial part of the industry. Yes there are no hard numbers on either side so its their word against our and I am personally inclined to believe a fan over a corporation, but again, nothing is conclusive here.

I for one will be downloading the fansub, without guilt. I will never buy more of their dubtitled, close captions for subs, non-backup-able, drm'ed crap.

If they provide it at a very low cost in an open format (divx/xvid or some such format) that I can easily move around between computers, they stand a chance at making $1 (and probaby not more than $1) off me.

Down with Copyright!
Down with Licensors!
Down with voice 'talent'!
Down with Localization!

I simply don't believe anyone who'd piss on peoples rights for simple greed

Always good to know that the fine fine editors of this site reduce themselves to name calling. Go you!

And anime dvds are NOT drm'd

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And anime dvds are NOT drm'd

Yes they are. It's called CSS. That we can get around it thanks to Johansen is irrelevant to the question of whether or not they're drm'ed. You try again.

and yet they are the first to completely spit in the face of anyone who dare tell them that maybe they should actually pay the entertainers who entertain them, especially the artists themselves. It's sad, and juvenile, and a ludicrous, delusional self-serving fantasy.

People will still fansub it, regardless.

If they do, then at least take it out of circulation once it's brought Stateside. (Easiest for them to do that via BitTorrent, as I read in one of the editorials here.) After all, fansubs are a necessary evil, as they help make anime popular as well as accessible.

Die Wahrheit wird befreiet euch setzen.
Tschäu!

nagashi wrote:

Always good to know that the fine fine editors of this site reduce themselves to name calling. Go you!

But you are. You are clearly of reduced mental function. Why should I have to stop short of saying the truth simply because I work here? I shouldn't. You're allowed to come into my forums and say whatever garbage you like, which means I'm allowed to call you on it in whatever manner I choose.

I say "you're an idiot" not entirely as an insult, but because I sincerely believe it to be true. You are apparently too stupid to understand that entertainment costs money to make and that revenue is generated by people who pay for it. You either haven't thought about this, don't know what capitalism is, or don't understand what "business" is. I assume you're smart enough to operate a computer; that you apparently don't understand that money is traded for goods and services means you are - under the dictionary definition of the word - stupid.

I'd say that I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's true.

You, sir, are an idiot.

People will still fansub it, regardless.

If they do, then at least take it out of circulation once it's brought Stateside. (Easiest for them to do that via BitTorrent, as I read in one of the editorials here.) After all, fansubs are a necessary evil, as they help make anime popular as well as accessible.

I don't think it's unfair nor do I think it's trivializing it, matter of fact I think if anything it more accurately demonstrates the mindset. You're essentially demanding other peoples hard work be handed to you for free with no form of payment for their work. That's pretty much slavery, the only difference is they're not required to do it, but if they want to do what they love then they have to accept that they have no rights in order to allow you the rights you seem to think you deserve. So in every sense it seems like elitism and superiority.

5 years? As someone who would like to end up writing full time eventually as a profession, that sounds awful. Not only would that mean that I wouldn't be able to build up a catalog of works that could still earn me money in later years, but I daresay book buying in general would drop dramatically if everyone knew that all you had to do was wait for 5 years and then you'd be able to download a free copy of whatever book you wanted.

one side has the hard facts and works for the artists, while the other seems to just work for themselves