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NEWS: Toonami Promotes One Piece's Return With Rhyming Pirate

It is being put back one half hour.

THIS IS THE CURRENT MAY SATURDAY 18th & SUNDAY 19th LISTING SCHEDULE (EASTERN STANDARD TIME).

09:00 pm - Home Movies
09:30 pm - Family Guy
10:00 pm - Family Guy
10:30 pm - Cleveland Show
11:00 pm - Bleach
11:30 pm - One Pice
12:00 am – Soul Eater
12:30 am – Eureka 7
01:00 am – Naruro
01:30 am – Inuyasha


02:00 am – IGPX
02:30 am – Eureka
7
03:00 am – Thundercats
03:30 am – Symbionic Titan
04:00 am – Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
04:30 am – Cowboy Bebop

05:00 am – Inuyasha

05:30 am – Inuyasha




Signed: Janitor Tzap

Genndy spoke around the time of the release of Hotel Transylvania more clearly. He made it to be one show(the love letter to 80s John Hughes and mecha anime), but midway through production Cartoon Network wanted him to retool it to be more like the then-recent Ben 10 and Generator Rex series. He refused to play ball, so CN kept changing the show's timeslot and everything to kill it. CN just used merchandising as an excuse.

And note for you calling Young Justice a "toy vehicle show", it still got canned after only 2 sesaons. I guess even toys aren't enough.

enurtsol wrote:

There's also a difference in how some subject matters are treated. For example, the infamous "Booty Quake" dance - anime wouldn't really have a regular teenager dance like that. And when the unrelated teenage MCs guy and girl were discussing in the same bedroom together in their underwear (shirtless boxers and nightgown), it's treated as nothing special - that would've been anime nosebleed city. So it's just those things that regular teenagers happen to do that's treated as normal.

The way American cartoons are drawn so crudely indicates they are not meant to be sexualized like very nicely detailed anime is. So the American examples you listed aren't fanservice so it makes sense they wouldn't be treated as fanservice. I imagine that's why you see a lack of doujins for these shows as well

I'd say it's rather obvious you haven't seriously watched either show(or any recent western action toons for that matter) if you seriously think that. While I'd still say Japan has the edge over the west in terms of mature content, lots of recent shows in the west have been pushing boundaries a bit and adding in a lot more mature content and depth to their writing. Young Justice, Green Lantern, The Avengers, and heck even Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated(though that's not really an action show, even if I'm still puzzled by how it got away with a Y7 rating) are pretty good examples of this and as a result had a pretty strong adult following(and yes if you look at the actual numbers for the ratings it's there). The west still has a ways to go though obviously but I'd certainly say Sym Bionic Titan is mature enough to air late night(Thundercats is a bit more debatable but I think it just barely gets a pass), and it occasionally gets better ratings than some of the precious anime your raving about clearly people are enjoying it being there.

This kind of dissmissal where people assume that if it's not animated in Japan or airing on Fox(and in my opinion the Fox comedies are even more childish than the action toons your complaining about) it has no mature content whatsover and therefore isn't worth watching is getting to be really silly at this point and it's gotten old.

Has SBT ever dealt with mass genocide, racism, slavery, drug addiction, and the different views of justice?

Didn't think so.

What "kids' anime" have you been watching?

I can pretty much assure you that any anime that contains sex, extreme amounts of blood/guts/violence and especially rape is aired after 1am in Japan, and is definitely not for kids.

One Piece, DBZ, Bleach and Naruto have more blood than American kids shows, sure, but it's barely even that much and hardly reaches levels that most "mature" shows contain. Plus, that's just based on what's acceptable in each countries' culture and doesn't at all reflect on the quality of the show itself.

If you're saying that shows are only good based on the amount of "edgy" material they contain, that's ridiculous.

It's entirely possible to create a mature, intelligent story, with or without "edgy" material. If you're dumb enough to not care about the story and just want to see people's blood, go watch a Michael Bay movie or something.

Everyone else covered the other parts of your posts, but I want to hit that bolded part. My point in saying "half a city in the first episode" was that it was too large an area to be evacuated, especially in the first episode when it was the town's first exposure to the giant robot and anything out of the ordinary in the town. Which means no evacuations which means large (unseen) death toll. The buildings are never rebuilt, and instead a lake forms in the crater, with a bridge hastily built over it to keep the surviving populace able to commute around.

Even Evangelion, adult content extraordinaire, gave Tokyo-3 retractable buildings so the death toll of city battles wouldn't be massive. Or how about Bleach, [spoilers]that had a fake Karakura Town built by Soul Society just so they could destroy the entire town without killing anyone, literally destroying empty buildings like you just dissed American cartoons for doing].

the booty quake is most definitely fanservice - it's twerking, plain to see. The bedroom scene, it's actually the reverse - it's being presented as less of a fanservice - but that's the point. Y'see, there's parts of anime that, while enjoyable, is still undeniably a bit childish. Just by simply treating that bedroom scene as normal teenage behavior, it's actually showing its maturity in relation. So, it's not always what something is shown, sometimes it's also how something is treated, as a sign of maturity level.

There's also a difference in how some subject matters are treated. For example, the infamous "Booty Quake" dance - anime wouldn't really have a regular teenager dance like that.

And when the unrelated teenage MCs guy and girl were discussing in the same bedroom together in their underwear (shirtless boxers and nightgown), it's treated as nothing special - that would've been anime nosebleed city. So it's just those things that regular teenagers happen to do that's treated as normal.

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PurpleWarrior13 wrote:

^ According to Genndy Tartakovsky, the creator of Sym-Bionic Titan, it got good ratings, but was canceled because it "didn't have enough toys" behind it. Cartoon Network doesn't care about the adult demographic for their shows at all, and puts a lot of emphasis on the toys and merchandise. Justice League (including Unlimited) lasted four seasons, but it could've lasted longer. The merchandise going dry was the reason it ended. Invader Zim was canceled by Nick for an almost identical reason.

I'd take anything that guy says with a grain of salt since he is probably bitter how every show he make gets canceled. All you have to do is look up ratings on TVBytheNumbers and see the show pulled in an average of only 1.5 million an episode. Meanwhile Cartoon Networks other shows like Regular Show, Adventure Time, Annoying Orange, and other stuff can get between 2.5 to 4.5 million per episode. That's a pretty big gap. Maybe he just meant if it had toys then the poor ratings wouldn't matter since it's a toy vehicle show like Ben 10 or Young Justice, but since it didn't there was no reason to keep it around.

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Also, what American fans (other than maybe anime fans) draw Doujinshi? The things you mention are common of Japanese fandoms.

Well those are good indication of how many adults like something and if it has a huge adult following. I suppose that's a Catch 22 here, adult fandoms are very scarce in American animation, and those that do exist don't really do anything or matter to anyone since there's no merchandise marketed towards them nor do they produce merchandise of their own. I guess it's just they're not really present in fandoms like the adult fans of anime are for this kind of stuff so they may as well be invisible.

enurtsol wrote:

the booty quake is most definitely fanservice - it's twerking, plain to see. The bedroom scene, it's actually the reverse - it's being presented as less of a fanservice - but that's the point. Y'see, there's parts of anime that, while enjoyable, is still undeniably a bit childish. Just by simply treating that bedroom scene as normal teenage behavior, it's actually showing its maturity in relation. So, it's not always what something is shown, sometimes it's also how something is treated, as a sign of maturity level.

x_x seriously man? That stuff isn't handled maturely because it's not being handled at all.

Its the same reason you see American cartoons that have girls in skirts climbing ladders or crawling on the ground around guys without making an issue of it. In anime they might get angry and call out a guy for making her go first up a ladder because he wants to see up her skirt or he might see her underwear if she moves too much like a girl might be concerned with wearing a skirt in real life. but in the American shows its never mentioned not because of MATURITY but because stuff like upskirting and underwear are never an issue because sex doesn't exist in these universes.

There's an image directly referencing that scene that I find funny because of the huge differences in content levels and attitudes =P

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/654/1283672672671.jpg

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And when the unrelated teenage MCs guy and girl were discussing in the same bedroom together in their underwear (shirtless boxers and nightgown), it's treated as nothing special - that would've been anime nosebleed city. So it's just those things that regular teenagers happen to do that's treated as normal.

In general, I think that's actually a dishonest portrayal. Fake maturity. Teens and really most anyone else once you remove inhibitions would be shown thinking dem dirty thoughts.. or at least be nervous or be very self-conscious about trying to appear mature.

enurtsol wrote:

There's also a difference in how some subject matters are treated. For example, the infamous "Booty Quake" dance - anime wouldn't really have a regular teenager dance like that.

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_-; People dismiss them because they're not on the same level. i've seen the shows you listed and they're just like other kids cartoons. you're really overselling those shows content levels. Maybe I just missed the equivelent in Scooby Doo of Nami taking a knife and stabbing herself in her arm repeatedly to carve out her tattoo in anger over Arlong >_>

That's the exact type of cheesecake crap I was talking about a page ago where I said that sort of thing was never why I primarily got into Japanese animation and other kinds of animation and kept getting into it. Heck that Bleach beach episode you referred to as an example? Me and a bunch of users in a Toonzone talkback thread made fun of that episode when it aired on Adult Swim. It really does feel cheap when someone tries to tell me that sort of thing is what makes anime appealing, as if I've never seen nude/scantily clad girl before.

RogueJedi86 summed things up nicely, but you are wrong in that all of Tartakovsky's shows get canceled. They don't. Dexter's Laboratory lasted 6 seasons of 13 episodes (4 from 1996-1998, 2 from 2001-2003), and was a huge hit (and will always be one of my all-time favorite cartoons). Samurai Jack lasted 4 seasons, and Genndy also worked on Powerpuff Girls, which also lasted 6, and became one of the top kids shows of my generation (and still lives today. Cartoon Network has ANOTHER special in production), although I suppose it's Craig McCracken and Lauren Faust (creator of My Little Pony: FiM)'s baby, he directed countless episodes.

Out of all the followings, the closest to matching a Japanese-style fandom is My Little Pony, which has an adult following that cannot be underestimated. Other than fanfiction, few fandoms of ANYTHING in the US typically produce original material (like Doujinshi...), except for the REALLY HUGE ones like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, and DC and Marvel comics. It seems to be more of a Japanese thing, which is cool and all, but is just not something commonly found here.

In general, I think that's actually a dishonest portrayal. Fake maturity. Teens and really most anyone else once you remove inhibitions would be shown thinking dem dirty thoughts.. or at least be nervous or be very self-conscious about trying to appear mature.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/654/1283672672671.jpg

So? Just because you don't like that stuff doesn't mean other people can't...

For the record, Toonzone is one of the most conservative boards out there....

configspace wrote:

In general, I think that's actually a dishonest portrayal. Fake maturity. Teens and really most anyone else once you remove inhibitions would be shown thinking dem dirty thoughts.. or at least be nervous or be very self-conscious about trying to appear mature.

I'm reminded of this one anime panel where Crispin Freeman talks about the draw of anime and it's mature content. He cites Teen Titans as a counter example and says (paraphrasing here) "You mean to tell me five teenagers live under one roof and they ain't trying to bang or going crazy with their hormones? Give me a break" and how those kinds of portrayals are dishonest with how actual teenagers act and one thing he likes about anime. So I agree with him. For all the complaining some people might do on ecchi, those aspects actually have characters acknowledging sex and sexual frustration is a thing kids deal with.