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REVIEW: Freezing BD+DVD

Key,

I was thinking about Claymore when someone earlier talked about implanting alien DNA into young women. I thought about how differently the same issues are portrayed... I mean the circumstances around them and how the Organization in Claymore kept control of the Claymores and how they responded if a Claymore left the reservation. I think it's interesting and apt to contrast and compare Claymore and Freezing to each other, though I won't do that here.

I do not understand why moderators continually allow other forum users to post opinions that are not beneficial to review topics. How is a person's opinion of a series that is based only on the first episode useful in the discussion of whether or not the entire show is good.

Realism went out the window in this one the first time Ganessa Roland started manipulating around those chains of hers, if not earlier.

How fast and completely Pandoras can heal from major trauma is never detailed and inconsistently applied, unlike in something like, say, Claymore.

There was no explanation at all of how teleportation works in Star Trek

The latter is not even close to what he said. What he actually said is:

"I'm sorry, but all I'm getting from this is an attempt to rationalize the brutality into something acceptable and "realistic". I just can't agree with your points."

He is saying that he can't agree with your points because they come off as an empty rationalization. And he's right.

Whether you can potentially explain all the cruel and violent acts in this show as "realistic" is pretty meaningless for a show like this.It might be valid if we were talking about a show that was actually trying to be a dark and realistic examination of violence. However, (and I can't emphasize this enough), we aren't. We're talking about a show that is essentially an Ikki Tousen style titty fighter.

This is a show that is totally fundamentally absurd.

More over, the intent of the show couldn't be more obvious. This is a show designed from the ground up to provide titillation for men.

Hence, whether it is "realistic" that all that sadism be in there, it could not be more obvious that this isn't why it's in there. Nor does it make it any more appropriate either.

I think I mentioned this before but I don't actually object to sadism and violence. I just want it to serve a purpose and sure as hell don't want to see it in a goofy fanservice show alongside a bunch of cute, half naked girls who are apparently supposed to be arousing. Whether this is "realistic" or somehow plot justified changes nothing.

mangamuscle wrote:

There was no explanation at all of how teleportation works in Star Trek

*ahem*

Tell me in what episode of the original Star Trek series was this stated, anything else is retrofitting. Besides, you almost made me forget I was expecting an explanation of how it would work in the real world

I do not understand why moderators continually allow other forum users to post opinions that are not beneficial to review topics. How is a person's opinion of a series that is based only on the first episode useful in the discussion of whether or not the entire show is good.

How do these comments contribute to the discussion of a full review of a show?

RyanSaotome wrote:

I'm surprised to see the art get such a high grade here. Main reason I dropped it was because the art was so generic and unappealing to me.

I won't dispute that it is far from the most original-looking series out there, but for what it is, the artistry is still well-done.

Again, saying someones rationalization is empty is not proof, you need to come with a logical reason.

In other words you are saying "If this were the kind of show I liked it would be ok, but since I dislike it then any rationalization you can think of is invalid".

So you are going to tell US what is apropiate, did you just became a self proclaimed pope of a church of your invention or something?

Could you please repeat me the reason the female officers in the original Star Trek wear in every single episode miniskirts and skin thight uniforms? If you answered FAN SERVICE you would be right, so we can see that science fiction and fan service have been present in TV shows since decades before Freezing.

Uh huh. Obviously this is exactly what I proceeded to do in the rest of my post following this sentence. Please stop cutting out every individual sentence of my post and then pretending they stand alone.

That's not what I said at all. Whether it is the kind of show I like is irrelevant. My point is that invoking "realism" to justify the cruelty is totally contradictory when the rest of the show isn't realistic at all.

That's not what "appropriate" means. To say something is not appropriate simply means it is not suitable or fitting for a particular situation. I'm not making any kind of moral judgment here. Rather, I'm saying is that this kind supposedly "realistic" sadism is unsuitable for an otherwise unrealistic and silly show like Freezing. It a show more suited to such elements it would perhaps be fine.

This is not a binary question. A show does not either have fanservice or not have fanservice. It's a question of degrees. Hence the reason I said "built from the ground up to titillate". Lots of shows have some fanservice but freezing has a ridiculous amount to the point where that is clearly a major aspect of the show.

I have re-added to the original post the THREE sentences I cut from the original post (for clarity) and guess what, it changes nothing, you are saying that since this show is not dark and a (physcological?) examination of violence (the kind of show you like) and my answer applies just the same.

I insist the ONLY reason you are bashing this show is because you dislike any show that might show beatiful and empowered women doing what we are used to see males in shows

Besides, I am not saying it is realistic because it is cruel, I have said in a prior post that under the circumstances narrated on Freezing, it is realistical to see such cruel behavior.

I mean, if it is so unrealistic and silly there should be plenty for you to tell me.

Freezing was done in the 21st century for japanese anime otaku, has indeed fanservice, but I would not go as far as saying it is anything we haven't seen before