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MFrontier
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As a fan of the manga I have to say so far I think they've really delivered on all fronts in terms of conveying the manga, both in terms of capturing the spirit and vibe of the material, the characters' looks and personalities (especially Marin), the fanservice, and the seiyuu all sound pitch-perfect as their characters.
I hope Cloveworks really has a winner on their hands here. |
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Errinundra
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Episode 2 was just about the sexiest 25 minutes of anime I've ever watched. Normally I find fanservice intrusive, but this really worked for me, partly because it was so much fun, but also because it was absolutely relevant to the narrative. The episode caught beautifully the anxiety teenage boys suffer in the proximity of a pretty girl. Foregrounding Marin's body hammered home that point. The way her body is portrayed and animated does that so well.
Importantly, Marin wields the power throughout the exchange. Wakana is left desperately trying to rescue his dignity. I think that's the main reason some viewers have been hostile. Normally with fanservice the female character is in a weak position, subordinate to the male character and / or reduced to being a simple object to the viewer's gaze. |
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blooperboy
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Y'all! Did NOT expect people to have this many thoughts about the show, and especially about the fanservice in it. Like, its EXPLICITLY fanservicy. The manga has Parantial Advisory on the cover. The inner color pages for each manga are ACTUALLY Marin in lingerie.
I do think that people should reflect on the fact that if they don't like the fanservice aspects of this, then they wouldn't like the source material and therefore are going to continue to not like the show. So far the anime has been an EXTREMELY accurate adaption, which means that ep 3 is almost certainly going to start with spoiler[Gojo having a wet dream about the measuring experience] and uh, that's not really a downgrade from where we were. Pacing wise, having episode 2 cover the chapters it did (halfway through the second chapter to the end of the fourth chapter) is again, pretty accurate to the source material. They could have shoved chapter 5 in there, but it would have been tight, and they would have had to cut stuff.
spoiler[Ugly laughter THIS IS A PLOT POINT ACTUALLY.] She has no clue what she's doing and that will only continue to be more evident. Also, for those complaining about how Marin doesn't notice Gojo being uncomfortable, this is directly addressed in the series. Both of them are complete idiots about other humans, (as most teenagers are) and part of the series is about them learning to 'pick up what the other person is putting down.' As a final note, this mangaka put SO much effort into researching this series that it kind of makes sense that it resonates more with cosplayers than with otaku. Cosplayers find all the 'ecchi' bits funny because we all know someone that had that EXACT experience. But also, this human shaved off their eyebrows and tried to put on fake eyelashes. There's a TON of collaboration that goes on behind the scenes with the creation of this series making sure that things are represented as accurately as possible, including interviewing cosplayers about how things would happen. If we get to Swallowtail next episode, then people should know that is an actual shop where the mangaka had to awkwardly ask if they could take reference pictures. (Seriously though, the authors notes' at the end of the volumes are a hoot.) Also, let me just clear something up here that I don't think a lot of people in the conversation are aware of. THE AUTHOR OF THE MANGA IS A WOMAN She uses an intentionally male sounding pseudonym, because *gestures at all the ecchi* and *gestures at all the comments in here*. But yeah, uh, another large part of why Marin feels right to a lot of female identifying people and not just like a MPDG is because she's actually written by a woman. |
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meiam
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As someone whose into the fan service, are you really satisfied with how incredibly tame it was? Ultimately within 2 minutes we got all the plot development we were going to get and also all the "sexy-ness" which never evolve beyond "here's a girl in bikini". This tend dragged on for another 10+ minutes with no progress. In a shonen episode that's almost entirely combat you'll have a fight that'll start with more down to earth attack and by the end they'll be shooting giant beam and dropping mountain on each others, because progression is interesting. But here nothing progress, she never got naked, never gave him a footjob, he never sucked her breast or anything, and we know full well nothing like this will ever happen, this is probably the fan service ceiling and it's been reached on episode 2. It was like watching a strip tease where the girl get down to her underwear right away and then nothing else for 10 minutes. |
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Sooooo... you're mad that it's not porn. Things that progressed: -her cosplay, since the whole point was him getting her measurements -their relationship -Gojo's comfort talking to other people -the plot If you're only watching the show to see Marin's boobs, just come out and say so. |
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blooperboy
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People really do be falling into three categories right now
-Too horny -Not enough horny -I'm just here to have a good time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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meiam
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It is porn, just incredibly tame one. Maybe that would have been interesting 50 years ago, but nowadays it's just... unimpressive. All that progression you listed happened within the first 2 minutes of the scene, you can literally cut out the second part of the episodes and you'd lose no progression. |
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Key
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I had a somewhat mixed reaction to episode 2, so I decided to wait and see what the initial commentary on it was before chiming in. I'm glad I did, because what's been said here has given me a clearer understanding of what's going on.
Some have mentioned that Marin has modeling experience. Some of her behavior makes a whole lot more sense with that detail being known, but I don't recall anything about it even being intimated in the first two episodes. Can manga readers confirm/deny whether or not that tidbit was known in the source material by the end of the chapters adapted so far? Or is this a revelation that comes up later (for an "oh, so THAT's why she was acting the way she was?" kind of moment)? The fan service aspect of what's going was more than I was expecting, but it didn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, I appreciated the purposes it was being used for here; I have long argued that fan service isn't given its due when it is used meaningfully (rather than just pruriently), so I am pleased to see that acknowledged here. I did have one major problem with the episode, however, and it's a point that a few others have brought up: the overuse of Wakana's reactions to Marin. Yes, it's absolutely in character for him to be struggling with taking Marin's measurements, as he has been thrown off kilter in all kinds of different ways: both the head space and physical space of this introvert have been aggressively encroached on by his polar personality opposite (even if not in a mean-spirited way), this other person's passion is overwhelming even if he can understand it, and on top of that, the person is a hot girl who both has no qualms about standing in a skimpy swimsuit before him and is so enthusiastic about what she's doing that she seems oblivious to any effect she's having on him. How could he not be thrown for a loop? But even though his skittishness is completely understandable, I found myself rolling my eyes by the fourth or fifth time it was emphasized. Yeah, we get the point, can we move on now, please? I was initially tempted to describe this as misjudging how much emphasis was warranted here, but after seeing others comment about how accurately this captures the spirit and experiences of other cosplayers (something I have absolutely zero experience with), I now believe that the writing got so wrapped up in wanting to relate all of the little details of the hobby that it stretched out Wakana's reactions to the point of repetitiveness. In my experience with hobby-focused series, letting the hobby details throw off pacing like this is a quite common problem, so I'm hoping the writing will be a little more mindful of this going forward. Anyway, the series is never going to resonate with me the way it apparently does with cosplayers, and so it will probably never be a favorite. However, as long as the content doesn't bog down in its hobby details, the series has enough going for it that I'll probably keep watching it. |
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RandomUser1471
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Yes, she loves porn. I hope the manga goes deeper into her "motivations" and her own "life", because there's a very simple reason people see her as a doll thrown into the life of the protagonist to save him from his drab life: that's exactly what it happens. Once can be merciful and expect some development in future episodes, but we need to consider what we see: there's no interior voice in Marin. All we see is an heavily sexualized girl that gushes extensively on how much she loves 2d porn - seriously, it's the only interest she has shown in the show for now, more than cosplay - There's probably a disconnect between first time viewers and manga readers here, because for two episodes she has been a piece of meat to gawk at with no voice whatsoever. Fifteen minutes of carefully crafted bikini shots aren't character development. |
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NeverConvex
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That was pretty much my reaction re: Marin's interiority as well, RandomUser. I sort of suspect that will be corrected in future episodes; Marin felt to me like she had hints of depth in episode 1, and the production clearly has had a lot of passion poured into it, so I'm sort of expecting significantly more development of who she is (EDIT: and several of the manga readers in this thread have suggested we'll get a fair bit more characterization for her). But, right now, I definitely think she feels like she's part of the show primarily just to burst into Gojo's life -- and, forcibly, into his home -- and pull him out of his lonely-doll-guy funk, and into sexy shenanigans.
The specific choice of eroge very much plays into male otaku fantasies, and I don't expect that to change, but I think that's OK so long as they can recover the banter of episode 1, and make Marin's ownership of/love for her hobby sufficiently clear. The potential for hilarious interactions is pretty high. |
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FilthyCasual
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Why does the relentlessly positive show get the relentlessly negative comment section, this is cursed.
Sono Bisque, much like Marin, has joy, heart, and character, and I'm looking forward to the next episode. |
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Redbeard 101
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Because some people can never miss a chance to mansplain things, show what creeps they really are, and just have a temper tantrum over their 2d boobs or lack there of. I mean seriously some of the comments thus far have just been utter creepy trash and made from men who have never been in a relationship with an actual female. Ignore them and just enjoy the relentlessly positive show with the pretty animation. |
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NeverConvex
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This is something I was wondering about somewhat idly as well. Would I have found it less repetitive/more engrossing if I were into cosplay? Maybe the passion for authenticity in that scene (in the show) kills any sense of tedium for someone into that scene (in real life), or some such. |
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blooperboy
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They technically mention it in the show, although it feels a little less obviously than in the manga; in the first scene at school after Marin bangs her head on Gojo's desk she goes and talks to her friends. In the anime the line is 'She had to go to a hair modeling gig, so I went with her.' In the manga the line is 'She [Marin] told me there was a part-time gig for salon models, so I tagged along.' [This being in the context of that Marin usually disappears after school, and here we get the implication that its because she does that part-time modeling. Her friend actually got to hang out with her after school that day 'because it was a gig where she was going to be done fast!'] It's been there, but not as a focus so its easy to miss. Also as a side note to 'wow Marin is totally fine with stripping down to her bathing suit to get her measurements done.' She explicitly has a few lines about how she thinks she's being conscientious about the fact that Gojo is supposed to measurer her in her underwear and thinks that 'obviously this fixes the problem completely!' Unfortunately, she does not have a grasp on how little contact with actual live human girls he has and that this too is beyond him. |
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Shay Guy
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Hope I’m not derailing, but… was it your intent to present these two as equally objectionable? |
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