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GAME: Dragon's Crown

Lets be realistic here, the majority of the fanbase of a game like Dragon's Crown is what [...] but the point being at the end of the day what is the point in pleasing a group who wouldn't even care about the game if their was no controversy.

Lets be realistic here, the majority of the fanbase of a game like Dragon's Crown is what. Probably the same fanbase that are making a ridiculous amount of Doushinji about Amazon and Sorceress. This game is not targeted at the same group that, say MLPs targets, well maybe that was a bad example, but the point being at the end of the day what is the point in pleasing a group who wouldn't even care about the game if their was no controversy.

Also for the record, why was Dragon's Crown singled out. Has anyone every played anything from Suda. Shadows was a solidy rated game even by critics, and it has a scene where you run across you naked girlfriend while copies of her pole dance around you topless. Not to mention as many times as she is pictured, she usually is wearing no more than lingere, oh and she is being brutally murdered over and over again over the course of the game. I did not hear too many complaints from that one.

Also I will point out the criticism is rather skewed. Where is the outrage when in Fallout 3, I could could enslave children and sell them to slave traders. Yes folks, that but one of the many the slightly morally ambiguous things you can do in Fallout 3. So God forbid a game shows a character with large breast, but murder, slavery, cannibalism, etc. A OK champ.

This whole art this is annoying me pretty good. So many reviews are complaining about it and there is no reason for it. Yes the women are hyper sexualized but so are the men. The women have big breasts and the men all have insanely over the top amounts of muscles.

It annoys me that people think the art in the game is distasteful. Why did no one complain in the past Vanillaware games? Odin Sphere had several female characters with over the top bust sizes but no one complained then. Why is this suddenly a issue now?

CrownKlown wrote:

Lets be realistic here, the majority of the fanbase of a game like Dragon's Crown is what [...] but the point being at the end of the day what is the point in pleasing a group who wouldn't even care about the game if their was no controversy.

It's entirely possible to like RPGs and nonetheless not like certain games or aspects of them. Or, for that matter, not like multiple aspects of them.

CrownKlown wrote:

Lets be realistic here, the majority of the fanbase of a game like Dragon's Crown is what. Probably the same fanbase that are making a ridiculous amount of Doushinji about Amazon and Sorceress. This game is not targeted at the same group that, say MLPs targets, well maybe that was a bad example, but the point being at the end of the day what is the point in pleasing a group who wouldn't even care about the game if their was no controversy.

There's ways of targeting a specific audience that aren't demeaning towards women or that don't exclude them entirely. There are ways of writing characters for a specific audience without insulting other audiences.

CrownKlown wrote:

Also for the record, why was Dragon's Crown singled out. Has anyone every played anything from Suda. Shadows was a solidy rated game even by critics, and it has a scene where you run across you naked girlfriend while copies of her pole dance around you topless. Not to mention as many times as she is pictured, she usually is wearing no more than lingere, oh and she is being brutally murdered over and over again over the course of the game. I did not hear too many complaints from that one.

Dragon's Crown just came out and this debate is relatively new to gaming. It wasn't there the last time Suda51 made a big triple-A game(so far as I know, I don't keep up to date with the games he makes).
Also Anita Sarkeesian just released a new video last week.

CrownKlown wrote:

Also I will point out the criticism is rather skewed. Where is the outrage when in Fallout 3, I could could enslave children and sell them to slave traders. Yes folks, that but one of the many the slightly morally ambiguous things you can do in Fallout 3. So God forbid a game shows a character with large breast, but murder, slavery, cannibalism, etc. A OK champ.

This is a bit of a strawman. Just because games have issues with violence, doesn't mean how they treat women isn't an issue.

Also just because you CAN do something in a game, doesn't mean you HAVE to do it. Gamers have no control over how women are written in games.

There's ways of targeting a specific audience that aren't demeaning towards women or that don't exclude them entirely. There are ways of writing characters for a specific audience without insulting other audiences.

Women power fantasies just so happen to line up with men sexual fantasies Just read a women's magazine once in awhile. Or, ya know, actually talk to a girl.

@Hitokiri1 No, that shit does not matter. Only the gameplay, controls and level design do.

How is calling out a group for hypocrisy, strawman exactly? Lets get real here, if you showed the majority of people the scene in the game fall out where the guy is "hey can you get punk from lamplight falls, I want to make him into a slave, oh and he is under 13" and show a picture of the sorceress, I imagine the overwhelming majority would be appalled by the former rather than the latter. Nothing was said about the former. So calling into question the criteria that the media uses for outrage is quite apt.

Also what the hell does Dragon's Crown being out or not Have to do with shadows of the damned. My point was Shadows had content much more "offensive" to women than Dragon, and no criticism. It should not matter whether DC is out or not. The point is why are you taking issue with one game, when another game had the same "flaws" years before and no one cared. Your issue I thought was with offensive portrayals of women, in which case you should be up in arms over Shadows, but apparently that came out when DC was not out yet, so its not important.

You are not even a strawman. You do not have basic reading and logic comprehension skills. You do not have the ability to read my post which clearly show related items and the discrepancy in their treatments and understand the underlying issue.

A bit silly to expect every game to cater to everyone, or to your own views specifically. You might as well take out gun violence in games because it might exclude people who dislike guns or were involved in a shooting, and writing them into a story insults and offends that audience, so I suppose games would be better off without guns in them by this logic.

Dragon's Crown is an enjoyable game if you can overlook such things, but perhaps you shouldn't.

− Levels are repeated, some of that gorgeous art is distasteful

Dragon's Crown is an enjoyable game if you can overlook such things, but perhaps you shouldn't.

I'm not talking about catering to every audience, I'm talking about not excluding a big chunk of people who happen to live on this planet.

A good example of what I'm talking about can be found in most of the recent Bioware games. Bioware writes some characters with women in mind. The biggest example is Mass Effect 2, the character Thane was written specifically to attract a female audience. Even though the game's demographic and primary audience was male.

This is on top of not having really shit female characters and plenty of male focused fan-service (seriously ass-shots galore).

For the record, I'm buying this game because it looks like fun.

Please explain (in 300 words or less) how "the men are just as bad as the women!"

When this:



Is the Dwarf's stun animation.

And this:



Is the Sorceress's.