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Hypeathon
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No matter how many times I hear that kind of argument to justify anime when comparing to American cartoons, I always find this way of thinking disappointing. It use to make me angry when some anime fans make these kind of arguments, but now I just find it to be sad because saying how Japanese animation has an edge over American animation due to having no boundaries in terms of violence and sex just seems lazy to me. Speaking personally, the matter of "adult content" never really applied to why I liked anime or any other animated stories in the first place and it still doesn't. A number of anime shows I've bothered to watch in the past couple of years are loaded with some variation of cheesecake and violence and most of them never made me feel compelled to watch them through. And even when I have watched them through, I never felt totally satisfied by the story I spent time investing. I get they're for really specific audiences, but that doesn't excuse the fact the sex and violence in any of that stuff are cheap attempts at getting me compelled to watching them and they don't really work. That sort of thing never became the reason as to why I got into animation regardless of who the animated story's audience happened to be. Oh and as a side note, we're talking about the same network that among their other over-the-top violent and sexual content, aired Baby Blues, Space Ghost Coast to Coast, The Brak Show and still shows Home Movies. Little-to-no blood on any of those shows and were light on sexual content. |
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partysmores
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HA. You're hilarious. While I am getting tired of ThunderCats (Titan will never get old), both shows are TV-PG, just like One Piece is going to be from the promo, and I'd say Titan is much more dark and mature then One Piece any day. |
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Divineking
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I'd say it's rather obvious you haven't seriously watched either show(or any recent western action toons for that matter) if you seriously think that. While I'd still say Japan has the edge over the west in terms of mature content, lots of recent shows in the west have been pushing boundaries a bit and adding in a lot more mature content and depth to their writing. Young Justice, Green Lantern, The Avengers, and heck even Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated(though that's not really an action show, even if I'm still puzzled by how it got away with a Y7 rating) are pretty good examples of this and as a result had a pretty strong adult following(and yes if you look at the actual numbers for the ratings it's there). The west still has a ways to go though obviously but I'd certainly say Sym Bionic Titan is mature enough to air late night(Thundercats is a bit more debatable but I think it just barely gets a pass), and it occasionally gets better ratings than some of the precious anime your raving about clearly people are enjoying it being there. This kind of dissmissal where people assume that if it's not animated in Japan or airing on Fox(and in my opinion the Fox comedies are even more childish than the action toons your complaining about) it has no mature content whatsover and therefore isn't worth watching is getting to be really silly at this point and it's gotten old. Last edited by Divineking on Mon May 13, 2013 7:38 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Dakaran
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That's so wrong, should be all AM for kids to watch and enjoy but tv coverage and tv fun is good i guess =op Starting at 5:30-6am to Noon 
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Paradox295
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What "kids' anime" have you been watching? 
I can pretty much assure you that any anime that contains sex, extreme amounts of blood/guts/violence and especially rape is aired after 1am in Japan, and is definitely not for kids. One Piece, DBZ, Bleach and Naruto have more blood than American kids shows, sure, but it's barely even that much and hardly reaches levels that most "mature" shows contain. Plus, that's just based on what's acceptable in each countries' culture and doesn't at all reflect on the quality of the show itself. If you're saying that shows are only good based on the amount of "edgy" material they contain, that's ridiculous. It's entirely possible to create a mature, intelligent story, with or without "edgy" material. If you're dumb enough to not care about the story and just want to see people's blood, go watch a Michael Bay movie or something. |
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RogueJedi86
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Everyone else covered the other parts of your posts, but I want to hit that bolded part. My point in saying "half a city in the first episode" was that it was too large an area to be evacuated, especially in the first episode when it was the town's first exposure to the giant robot and anything out of the ordinary in the town. Which means no evacuations which means large (unseen) death toll. The buildings are never rebuilt, and instead a lake forms in the crater, with a bridge hastily built over it to keep the surviving populace able to commute around. Even Evangelion, adult content extraordinaire, gave Tokyo-3 retractable buildings so the death toll of city battles wouldn't be massive. Or how about Bleach, spoiler[that had a fake Karakura Town built by Soul Society just so they could destroy the entire town without killing anyone, literally destroying empty buildings like you just dissed American cartoons for doing]. Even Japan has limits on its adult content. Shows like Elfen Lied definitely didn't air on mainstream networks. Just because you saw them on DVD or the internet doesn't mean Japan loved them and aired them on tv with the kiddie fare. Not to mention the weird laws on hentai/porn where they can't show entire genitals, resulting in random white lines to obscure genitals. At least in America adults are allowed to see nudity in the comfort of their own homes. Now which country was it again that is scared of adult content? Boy this sure got off topic from One Piece on Toonami didn't it? 
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MasterKingJC
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Has SBT ever dealt with mass genocide, racism, slavery, drug addiction, and the different views of justice? Didn't think so. |
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Ruremi
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Oh man, please let this run do well, and hopefully come very close to the other two in popularity. This may be the last time it gets a chance on tv
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Crystal
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So Avatar/Korra is fine with anime fans, but Sym-Bionic Titan isn't? Is there some sort of rule that American cartoons have to LOOK like anime to be accepted by them? SBT is more mature than Avatar anyway (Korra is debatable).
Glad for One Piece coming to Toonami! |
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enurtsol
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There's also a difference in how some subject matters are treated. For example, the infamous "Booty Quake" dance - anime wouldn't really have a regular teenager dance like that. And when the unrelated teenage MCs guy and girl were discussing in the same bedroom together in their underwear (shirtless boxers and nightgown), it's treated as nothing special - that would've been anime nosebleed city. So it's just those things that regular teenagers happen to do that's treated as normal. |
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TitanXL
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I'd take anything that guy says with a grain of salt since he is probably bitter how every show he make gets canceled. All you have to do is look up ratings on TVBytheNumbers and see the show pulled in an average of only 1.5 million an episode. Meanwhile Cartoon Networks other shows like Regular Show, Adventure Time, Annoying Orange, and other stuff can get between 2.5 to 4.5 million per episode. That's a pretty big gap. Maybe he just meant if it had toys then the poor ratings wouldn't matter since it's a toy vehicle show like Ben 10 or Young Justice, but since it didn't there was no reason to keep it around.
Well those are good indication of how many adults like something and if it has a huge adult following. I suppose that's a Catch 22 here, adult fandoms are very scarce in American animation, and those that do exist don't really do anything or matter to anyone since there's no merchandise marketed towards them nor do they produce merchandise of their own. I guess it's just they're not really present in fandoms like the adult fans of anime are for this kind of stuff so they may as well be invisible.
Eh, not really. Just some shows off the top of my head are Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Detective Conan. The latter three had attempted rape (Nami in the shower, Anzu by her teacher, various cases Conan solves) but the former had actual rape and we see the woman get pregnant and have a baby because of it. Kid anime can deal with rape issues no problem.
I never like statements like these. Anime fans are not some hivemind that all think the same. The only thing that anime fans have in common is they like at least one anime (presumably). I've seen plenty of anime fans who dislike Avatar, and some that don't. The majority of fans probably don't (given the majority of fans would include countries outside of America; Japan being the obvious one), but that's about all you can really say on the subject. |
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lostrune
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The way American cartoons are drawn so crudely indicates they are not meant to be sexualized like very nicely detailed anime is. So the American examples you listed aren't fanservice so it makes sense they wouldn't be treated as fanservice. I imagine that's why you see a lack of doujins for these shows as well 
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RogueJedi86
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Genndy spoke around the time of the release of Hotel Transylvania more clearly. He made it to be one show(the love letter to 80s John Hughes and mecha anime), but midway through production Cartoon Network wanted him to retool it to be more like the then-recent Ben 10 and Generator Rex series. He refused to play ball, so CN kept changing the show's timeslot and everything to kill it. CN just used merchandising as an excuse. And note for you calling Young Justice a "toy vehicle show", it still got canned after only 2 sesaons. I guess even toys aren't enough. The way I understand on Avatar, it never properly aired in Japan, so naturally they don't have a good opinion of it. American anime fans are just cliched towards liking anime and anything that looks like anime. I'm a huge fan of both Avatar series, but I also love SBT and Young Justice and Thundercats. |
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Chagen46
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*snicker* You're so like the stereotypical teenage Japanophile it's hilarious. Do you really think that violence and sexuality alone make a work adult? Hint: It doesn't. The most immature one here is you, and your ridiculous "I like anime because it's EDGY AND MATURE FOR MATURE PEOPLE LIKE ME" attitude. Last edited by Chagen46 on Mon May 13, 2013 7:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Hypeathon
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I'm going to assume you never went to art school, have you (and yes, it does matter that I ask that)? |
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