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Polycell
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My point was that Chagen was forgetting that he who pays the piper calls the tune, especially when we're talking about people dropping hundreds of dollars.
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Juno016
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It's not surprising, considering their complexes with the rest of the world. Having just finished a philosophy course designated to kokugaku (National Studies) in Japan, I've taken more to the theory that "nationalism" in Japan primarily came about as a reaction to the Asian imperialism by the West and the Japanese's own sudden sense of inferiority. And out of that "inferiority" came a sense of special "unique dignity." They don't actually consider themselves "superior" or "inferior" to Westerners, but they're afraid of "Western universalism" (the advocation that the values of the West are universal) devaluing the things they value and ruining the basics they care about in their culture, and thus, tend to reject outside influence to preserve their own sense of identity to avoid being assimilated into what many view as this giant wall of inevitable "Western universalism." Hence why the issue with "racism" here is tricky. Regardless of what we call it in the West, to them, they're the ones feeling like they need to preserve themselves and keep themselves "pure." Pointing out that they're the "bad guys" because they're "racist" does no one any good. Rather, gradual change under the skin is the only true way to make change, assuming there isn't a huge national movement driven by a major incident. And trust me--these small things are happening. J-Dramas like "Smile" and the influx of Korean entertainment is proof of that. In fact, backlashes like this are kinda a reaction to this change by people who fear their Japanese values being de-valued. And to clarify, I'm not saying they value racism. I'm just saying racism is partially a reaction to their fear of losing their uniqueness, so the issue is complicated. |
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BlackJaded
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So....what are you then ? |
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configspace
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Exactly. It's like when John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods, called Obamacare fascist. He had to quickly back off that statement, though still sticking with his underlining arguments, because of his customers' political affinities. Despite agreeing with him, that's tough shit, because his customers have every right to be upset. In this case the author was actually being financially responsible and rationally responded without getting into nationality by simply pointing out that such a change was unnecessary, not intended, and caused unneeded controversy and extra work. If the product placement were something that was being promoted in the anime such as a background song or OP songs or whatever, then that would be one thing. But this seems like some 'rogue' event or last minute post-storyboard decision the animator or outsourced studio decided to do. I think the nationalism is a stupid overreaction but the Chagen "better check your white privilege" is also a stupid overreaction. All that's need to complete the derp is ranting about cisgendered othering. I mean what are you going to do, force people to buy something that upsets them just to impose your values? |
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LUNI_TUNZ
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I don't know, saying things like "keeping themselves pure", doesn't sound that tricky. It in fact sounds exactly like racism. The "extra work" excuse was pure bullshit. It barely took any more work to add that one thing in then it did to animate the entirety of the show.
You got a mouse in your pocket, who the hell is "us"? |
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Ushio
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It doesn't take a lot for an anime to flop. http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=111958&page=2 Everything below the 3000 sales mark most likely lost there studio money as well as some of the higher production value sub 5000 shows. 2012 Total Average Sales, TV/ONA Note: This list is incomplete. Some 2012 series will not complete until late 2013 and chart into 2014 (yearly rankings). I will keep this list periodically up to date, may or may not be weekly. Key: Total Average - Title - # Vols - Format breakdown (if applicable) Updated as of 2013/04/22-28 list 10,000+ 60,580 - Nisemonogatari (Winter, 5 vols) 8,586 DVD (15%) / 51,995 BD (86%) 45,804 - Fate/Zero Second Season (Spring, 1 vols) 35,753 - Sword Art Online (Summer, 9 vols) 6,771 DVD (19%) / 28,982 BD (82%) 31,118 - Girls und Panzer (Fall, 6 vols) 1,276 DVD (5%) / 29,842 BD (96%) 24,402 - Kuroko no Basuke (Spring, 9 vols) 13,498 DVD (56%) / 10,905 BD (45%) 20,724 - Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon II (Summer, 7 vols) 20,626 - Jojo no Kimyou na Bouken (Fall, 9 vols) 4,414 DVD (22%) / 16,213 BD (79%) 15,311 - Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai! (Fall, 7 vols) 1,662 DVD (11%) / 13,650 BD (90%) 10,773 - To Love-Ru Darkness (Fall, 6 vols) 2,070 DVD (20%) / 8,703 BD (81%) 10,622 - Inu x Boku SS (Winter, 7 vols) 5,246 DVD (50%) / 5,376 BD (51%) 10,460 - Little Busters! (Fall, 9 vols) 1,632 DVD (16%) / 8,828 BD (85%) 10,243 - Initial D Fifth Stage (Fall, ? vols) 5,000-9,999 *9,751 - High School DxD (Winter, 6 vols) 2,345 DVD (25%) / 7,406 BD (76%) *9,696 - Hyouka (Spring, 11 vols) 1,125 DVD (12%) / 8,572 BD (89%) *9,532 - Gintama' Enchousen (Fall, 4 vols) *9,426 - Magi (Fall, 10 vols) 5,967 DVD (64%) / 3,459 BD (37%) *9,269 - Natsume Yuujin-chou Shi (Winter, 5 vols) 4,016 DVD (44%) / 5,253 BD (57%) *8,787 - Psycho-Pass (Fall, 8 vols) 1,444 DVD (17%) / 7,344 BD (84%) *8,748 - Accel World (Spring, 8 vols) 1,504 DVD (18%) / 7,245 BD (83%) *8,388 - Tari Tari (Summer, 6 vols) DVD (0%) / 8,389 BD (100%) *8,098 - Dog Days' (Summer, 6 vols) 1,970 DVD (25%) / 6,129 BD (76%) *7,690 - K (Fall, 7 vols) 2,021 DVD (27%) / 5,669 BD (74%) *7,438 - Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb (Fall, 6 vols) 1,175 DVD (16%) / 6,263 BD (85%) *7,337 - Mouretsu Pirates (Winter, 7 vols) 278 DVD (4%) / 7,059 BD (97%) *7,288 - Yuru Yuri♪♪ (Summer, 6 vols) 1,085 DVD (15%) / 6,204 BD (86%) *7,181 - Shin Tennis no Ouji-sama (Winter, 7 vols) 5,797 DVD (81%) / 1,384 BD (20%) *7,147 - Haiyore! 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guildmaster
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I prefer to go as part of a conquering army. Oh yeah, we already did that. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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And even the few actions of some troops on Okinawa leaves a bad impression of us all. It's already ridiculous to try to become a citizen of Japan, but you'll never be Japanese. I can't imagine how alienating it feels for foreigners who reside there long term and don't live in the big cities. Like all of the in-Japan guests we've heard on ANNcast, they likely live in either Tokyo, Osaka, or Nagoya because that's where that line of work is. Living out in the boonies, you'll be the only non-Japanese person around, and stuff like that shapes a person's world view. Are they outwardly racist and full of hate, or are they just unfamiliar to change and other values because no cultural osmosis of that sort occurs beyond what they choose to import? Most people won't care to comment on Korean stuff like this though, you'd probably have to ask for their opinions first. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Privileged white people?? I love that term so much that it makes my sides hurt. Have you ever heard of the working poor or better yet has anyone else even heard the term before?? PM me for the to discuss about or get the answer, I will not discuss it here. That issue aside I could honestly care less if they remove or change a poster in a Japanese cartoon show. The author doesn't like k-pop is of none of my concern/issue as long as the show is still fun watch. Also I just wanted to point out it's nice to watch the lot of you argue over 1st world problems. |
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NGK
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Japanology 101 right here!!! |
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Gon*Gon
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It's probably different since you're not an author and you probably don't consider yourself an artist. Again, this is HIS work that's being altered in a way he doesn't like. What if he hates k-pop? Do you think he'd just sit back and accept how they added something he hates into his work?
I know you're just being sarcastic but...yes...I literally do have one. But who're we kidding here, everyone hates those stuff to begin with. |
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Chagen46
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IT'S ONE DAMN POSTER IN ONE DAMN SCENE Nobody could be this sensitive about a background detail. There's a racial component behind this and your apologism isn't helping. |
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enurtsol
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Though don't really blame him for financial reason, I think the author missed the opportunity here to be the better man and tell people to grow up. Whether he likes k-pop or not doesn't matter; but the people's reaction to an insignificant poster portrays an immaturity that everyone agrees needs to be corrected at some point. Maybe in his later years he'll realize he's in that dignitary position and regret missing that opportunity to be an agent of social change however slight for the better. (After all, how many of us would've reacted the same way if, say, Koreans complain about a small product placement of a J-pop group, just to turn these things the other way around.)
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RyanSaotome
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Whats to say the author himself wasn't upset to see K-pop in his LN adaption? |
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enurtsol
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As I mentioned, whether he likes k-pop or not doesn't matter; but the people's reaction to an insignificant poster portrays an immaturity that everyone agrees needs to be corrected at some point. It's the people's reaction that should spur his action, moreso than his own preference. |
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