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frentymon
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Daiakuji isn't that bad of a choice.
Just be glad they didn't pick out La Blue Girl, or Urotsukidoji, or something. |
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Chaps
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....and we should end the thread right there. QFT. |
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GATSU
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Don't most Affleck films have as much depth as a porno anyway?
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MetalHead
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Erm....I've seen Smokin' Aces and I didn't see any hentai in there
By the way, I'm from UK, and the movie came out here around 2 weeks ago now I think. The only thing that I noticed that was cool, was that they played some Trivium, really loud  awesome stuff. Otherwise, no hentai....or it was just so miniscule I didn't notice.
Also, do a lot of people in USA really misjudge anime as porn that much? Lol. I've gotten loads of people into anime, and have never heard anyone call it porn before....at least not to me. |
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pitt_fan
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we americans are a weird bunch
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unhealthyman
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... And we should end the thread right there. QFT. |
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Kouji
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 But personally, I don't care if any TV show or movie references hentai because as long as jackasses exist in the world there's always going to be somebody out there who has a negative stereotypical view of your niche hobby. Because we live in a society where anything new or different is considered to be weird or stupid there will always be people who will make fun of it because it's easier to shun something that's different than try to understand it. But I really don't care about what those people think about my hobby. If those people are going to judge me based on something they only heard about one of my hobbies before actually experiencing it for themselves to discover the truth, then their existence isn't worth bothering anyway. And really, what's so wrong about hentai that you have to feel ashamed about it, anyway? I always hear somebody whine about how nobody respects their interest in anime because "OMG! Hentai is giving anime a bad name!" and then they turn around and act like hentai is some sort of plague that should be shunned. Aren't they doing the same thing to the hentai fans that the anti-anime fans are doing to them? And people wonder why nobody wants to have anything to do with anime fandom.
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Case
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Very good point. 
As for the unnecessary "world revolves around you" comment...
If someone says they've experienced it, I can't say they didn't. So fine, the mindset is out there. Still, I have trouble believing that its anywhere near as common as the "kid's stuff" belief; considering the fact that so far in this thread, there are about the same number of people claiming to have never experienced that criticism, as there are claiming to have experienced it. |
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BleuVII
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Thank you for your well-thought out point of view. I would like to add my agreement to what you just said. I too am a Christian (not just a churchgoer like many of these outspoken right-wing jackasses [pardon my language]), and I am tired of many people who share my basic beliefs getting a God-complex and attacking anything they don't understand, or judging things quantitatively instead of qualitatively.
You bring up an interesting point, but it is a little bit different. People who are outspoken against anime are speaking out against a medium. People who are speaking out against hentai are speaking out against a genre. I for one think that the distinction needs to be made. I am a huge anime fan, but I really do find something wrong with hentai, because it glorifies a huge perversion of one of the greatest things in nature--sex. And since I draw that distinction, I have a right to say that hentai is dragging down the overall image of anime. It gets the second-most media attention of any genre within the medium (the biggest genre being young boy monster/card collection anime), and next to none of that attention is positive. Meanwhile, people, in their ignorance, begin to equate the medium with the only two genres they have ever heard about. Heck, I live in Asia, and the foreigners here still equate anime with cartoon porn, whereupon I march them into the nearest bookstore, shove a copy of deathnote into their hands, and tell them to read it. EDIT: Spelling and Formatting Error |
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Deltakiral
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The world way different of the other side of the pond brother, (or sister) over here we don't really feel the same about sex and violence as most European do. And yeah I'd say a a large group of people (who don't have knowledge of anime) do believe that a fair amount of anime is porn. |
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Kouji
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Unholy_Nny
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You don't really need to be religious to be anti-any form of pornography, I really dislike how people associate certain morals to certain people just because of their religion. Also, you don't need to be Christian or religious at all to have anti-pornographic morals.
My mother, who is Christian, believes that while pornography is not a sin, it's unhealthy psychologically. That is a bias, though, due to certain events throughout her life that are rather private and not meant to be discussed on these boards. And I believe that pornography can be harmful to the psyche, but only in some people(Mainly people with addictive personalities or some kind of mental retardation, also children exposed to pornography at a young age). Especially certain forms of pornography can be harmful, no matter what your age or mental status is, such as things involving rape(even if it's acted/in anime form), beastiality, children(lolicon is just as bad as the real stuff), and other fetishes. (I think that sums up what is wrong with pornography/hentai, no?) Not that I personally don't enjoy it.... Despite being Christian. |
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BleuVII
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Actually, it's exactly like that.  In fact, that's pretty much a summary of what I said. I never tried to explain it, only to state the opinion I have and the basic reason why I have it. I have more reasons, but I didn't come onto this board to get into a debate about religion. I don't feel like I NEED to give my reasons. I just simply ask you to trust me when I say that I have thought about them extensively, and I came to that conclusion after months of internal debate, during which I previewed about 2-3 hentai films.
Also, thank you for turning my attempt at showing the other side of the argument into a religious flame. You said that you didn't understand how anime fans could discriminate against hentai. I simply gave you one reason why. You don't have to agree, you simply have to try to understand. I would really appreciate it if you did. And the stuff that you said about Jesus: yes, I know. In fact, I use that as a model for my life. I just came back from a late night at the bars with my friends. I didn't get drunk, but I went there with them. In fact, I believe that drunkenness is both a sin and a really bad decision, but that doesn't stop me from loving my friends and enjoying their company. In the same way, Jesus never gave consent or approval to what these people did. He simply loved them for who they were and gave them the opportunity to make the right decision. Some did, and some didn't. Please don't try to twist the story into saying that Jesus gave approval to what the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. I am so glad that the world's ideal is to be "accepting of everything." It gives me a warm fuzzy everytime I am stereotyped as a right-wing hypocritical conservative because I truly believe that there is a universal standard (whether we like it or not). I can't, nor do I want to, believe any differently. I do not hate anyone, nor do I wish ill will upon them; I simply don't believe that their opinions are true. In fact, it's very closely related to the warm fuzzy I get when people hear I like anime and assume that I am a huge fan of both Pokémon and porn. |
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BleuVII
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Sorry, I don't like to double-post, but I forgot to reply to this comment:
It's a very good question. I don't really care what people think of me; I just prefer that they make the judgment AFTER they attempt to understand my reasons. You obviously dislike me because I stated that I am a Christian. That's okay. I'm not saying these things to gain your approval. Just try to see both sides of the issue, so that your judgment isn't made out of ignorance. In this instance, I care more about what people think of anime. I find it to be a unique artistic presentation that has a lot of potential for delivering powerful stories. I find many animes to be refreshing and inspiring, though I also find a ton which are lackluster. I just want the whole issue to be presented so that people can form their judgments based on knowledge. Right now, there is a heavy bias towards two specific genres, which people form their opinions from, with an under-representation of other genres. My opinion about hentai is as immaterial as your opinion of me. However, after observing how the mainstream reacts to presentations like hentai, I wish that other genres would be put in the forefront, so that people would think more positively about this wonderful medium which I have come to love. |
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cl4y
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Thanks for the sweeping generalizations. There is a huge difference between being ashamed of your lifestyle choices and not wanting to be misunderstood. Or to put it another way, I don't want to be looked down on for watching hentai when I do not, in fact, watch hentai. If I actually do watch hentai and am looked down upon for it, I couldn't care less. As BleuVII said, the Bible says Jesus hung out with those guys, but doesn't say he condoned their lifestyles. When people called him out for keeping that sort of company, he stood by his choice. However, when people accused him of being a sinner himself, he set them straight. See the difference? Saying that you don't want people to think all anime is hentai isn't the same thing as saying hentai watchers should be ashamed of themselves. It's just not wanting to get pinned with something that isn't true. |
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