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RandomCommenter
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Why am I even wasting time responding is beyond me, I guess I'm just bored.
You can just do the math and see that while DS #23 is the best selling volume, every volume is close to the same number, which is higher than OP's best selling volume. We know OP's backlog doesn't do particularly well nowadays. We know DS' backlog is still doing far better than OP's. It's not like OP is ever catching up in Japan.
We know for a fact there is no OP volume even remotely close to any KnY volume's LTD since 2008, we know for a fact no OP volume has even touched 5M ltd since 2008. There is an oricon article for this somewhere, but some simple math would frankly tell you as much. Hell, OP's highest LTD in the oricon era hasn't even made a top500 yearly since 2012 (which, again, is verifiable, as shoseki provides estimations), meaning it was below 159k in that year, and it's only gotten worse since then; so at best you're in the low 4M range. At best.
No shit? It wouldn't have to sell more than OP on a per volume basis to do so, it would have to sell 5 times as much as it. OP is still a colossal series, there is no way the gap could ever possibly be that wide that DS could beat it with 23 volumes to 100.
That isn't how it works, worldwide numbers are explicitly stated, cumulative does not mean worldwide. OP articles will all mention something along the lines of 。全世界での累計発行部数は4億9000万部を突破している。(the cumulative circulation worldwide, not simply cumulative).
First of all, it was 90 at the time, and second, you don't make guesses based on these. Obviously no one ever said Kimetsu sold as much RoW as in Japan.
It was the best seller for 2022 if you break down the boxset - which will count as one single sku under NPD, but contains 23 of them. See https://twitter.com/RoukHein/status/1511824955759120390 Not going to make this any longer than it has to be since being the best seller in 2022 is beyond the point; we know it had 4M circ for viz as the number was stated by viz themselves ( https://screenrant.com/manga-more-popular-marvel-viz-comics/), and this was in early june. Since then it released a massive boxset, a best selling gaiden (currently the #1 volume for 2022 in the US), and has continued doing well. It'd be fairly easy to put it well over that 4M mark, but again, not the point. We know it does better in france than it does in the US, we know it has 200k first print in italy (https://www.drcommodore.it/2021/09/07/demon-slayer-tiratura-italia/), we know 1M in thailand, that it was dominating strong markets like SK, and so on and so forth. If you really want to play that game it's not very hard at all to estimate 20M+ RoW, but again, that was not the point. I merely said that if you are to compare a japanese number, you should be doing so with a japanese number, which is, 400M, not 490M.
The averages...don't pass this number? Did you fail math classes?
This is the problem with the whole convo, you're not verifying anything, you just assume assume assume. So we know OP has 400M in Japan. Let's start from here. Thankfully comicdata has a very convenient first print record for one piece we can use to estimate stuff. http://comicdata.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-5.html#ONE%20PIECE First of all, the peak first print, 4.05M for 67. Let's start by assumption that the volumes prior to this will have atleast this much in print (it is your argument, after all). Then let's estimate up to 98, the volume with which 400M japan was given. This only goes up to 92, and I know recent print has gone down to 3M flat, but I don't remember exactly with which volume, so I will simply estimate every volume from 93 onwards as 3M flat; you should be happy, though, this only helps you out here. So, what we have here is: 4.05M for 1 vol (67) 4M for 9 vols (68-76) 3.8M for 3 vols (77-79) 3.6M for 8 vols (80-87) 3.3M for 3 vols (88-90) 3.2M for 2 vols (91-92) 3M for 6 vols (93-98) So this gives us 114,550,000 for volumes 67-98; now let's apply your assumption that previous OP volumes would be atleast matching the highest first print with their total print: this gives us 267M for volumes 1-66, or a 381M total. Problem: we only have 18.5 spare millions in our count here, that's not nearly enough for our 1-23 volumes to be matching the 6.5M jp average from DS. Maybe if I try saying they are averaging 3.5M million instead, then seeing what we can add to volumes 1-23 only...let's see! With 231M from volumes 1-66, or a 345.5M total, we have...54.5M total. That's still short of matching what we need, though, which is a 57M. These are pretty much best case scenarios I'm trying to make for you, by giving these volumes the benefit of the doubt that only the first 23 would somehow be higher than all the rest, and it still doesn't actually work out. A reality scenario would be much less favorable since you obviously wouldn't get to make the assumption that 1-23 are somehow 6.5M and then it drops down to 3.5M for 24. I doubt you're even following the reasoning, anyway. You could probably play with the spare a while to bog it down to a number that suits your narrative, but it's not hard to see that the only volumes which might, at best, match DS' average are the very first ones, it's unrealistic to try to get a 1-23 total matching that of DS. Even if you went and added digital here (which, FYI, isn't included in OP's number), it still wouldn't be of much use since we know OP's digital is below kingdom's, placing it somewhere in the low 10Ms.
Digital sales aren't included in oricon numbers. Digital sales aren't included in OP's circulation number either, as it doesn't state [including digital] unlike DS'. I don't think you get it: we have a literal list from shueisha stating their all-time top 5best selling series in digital from last year. There is no need to search for other years whatsoever. spoiler[[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyh3LF2WUAEh4FH?format=png&name=900x900[/img]] Obviously the only reason I even brought up digital to begin with was to give a ballpark of where OP's digital sales would be in case you wanted to bring them up, but you didn't even know the OP number didn't include them to begin with, so why am I even arguing here? Didn't think I'd waste my time writing a WoT to bullshit on a freaking ann news section of all things, and to such a misinformed post of all things too, but worry not, I won't make the same mistake again with whatever BS you type in response to this. |
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JonDoe
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You don't need to have read the manga or watch the anime to have heard about Demon Slayer's phenomenal success. In the same way I don't need to watch the Jujutsu Kaisen anime or read the manga it's based on to know that Jujutsu Kaisen has been selling extremely well. So having to ask if Demon Slayer ended because of poor sales makes you sound like someone who has been stuck living in a cave. So you could see how someone could mistake you for a troll for asking such a dumb question. |
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Unculturedman
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This. In no way did the series ever betray its core themes even towards the end. It was always about loneliness, ostracism, war, severe trauma and its impact on child psychology, the importance of relationships, and ideological conflict. Naruto is my favorite story of all time. For a very long running shonen, it was fairly coherent although there were many issues along the way. I do really think the story, characters and themes are heavily misunderstood by most and it’s much better than most people give it credit for. |
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