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Kerberous
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Future Diary is one of the funniest anime ever made. The show completely fails in pretty much anything it does and it just comes across as hilarious (outside of a few uncomfortable moments). Give it a try, it might make you laugh.
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Charred Knight
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Yeah and those uncomfortable moments make it impossible for me to watch the product. There are plenty of goofy, campy shows that are over the top that I dont have to watch that type of show. For example the Kevin Sorbo Hercules series, various super robot shows, and the Adam West Batman. |
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Aylinn
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I tried to watch Future Diary, but after seeing half of the second episode I realised it is awful. Not only is the story derivative, but also it is not well-thought-out and executed. I needed just one and a half episode to see how shitty is the logic behind this show. The plot is stupid, the characters are idiots and their behaviour didn't make any sense. While I was watching Future Diary, I had an impression that this show was not made by a genuine screenwriter or storyteller, but by an employee of marketing department who thought it would be a great idea to have certain things and motifs that proved to be popular in the past, but somehow didn't realised what a god-awful job he/she was doing.
I see no reason to watch it, there must be a better survival game story somewhere, if I wanted to watch one. |
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rokusaburo
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I'm very glad to hear Zac's views on what amounts to the massive desensitization that infests modern society. (comments from folks "not bothered by rape", etc...)
History is replete with examples of how much can go wrong when people lose their sense of caring. |
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DmonHiro
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That makes absolutely no sense. Not being bothered by rape in fiction does not mean you are desensitized to rape, it just means that that particular trope no longer affects you because you've seen it too many times. It means you are desensitized to FICTIONAL rape. Just as GTA and other games desensitize you to FICTIONAL murder.
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Kerberous
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ANN is a place where Astarotte's Toy can get good reviews and then some of the top guys on the site claim they're against misogyny... Do you honestly expect that much from this place ? |
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Sylpher3
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Let me give an opposite point of view. Interacting with a resistant mentality can be viewed as bothersome, but the same goes for people who enforce their sensitivity in desensitized ones trying to seek emotional resonance. I don’t like how people who are sensitive to graphic rape generalize that everyone else who is not offended by rape in fictional media is assumed to be either an apologist or a pretentious person trying to be the cool guy. Sure there are some, but as was mentioned in this forum, there are many people, like me, who have a strong awareness between fiction and reality which may lead to a large suspend of disbelief, either due to the show, themselves or both. For example, hentai is filled with fetishized rape. It’s fake, it’s over the top, it isn’t realistic or credible and solely meant to arouse the viewer. If you don’t like this or feel offended by it, stay away from it, but keep in mind that it is just a (perhaps misogynistic) fantasy that caters to some people. As for me, if I can’t take a graphical rape depiction seriously, I either downplay, enjoy, laugh at or ignore it but it is no relation to how I feel about real-life rape cases (which is horrifying) or well-made genuinely shocking fiction like Law & Order SVU. And in no way am I apologizing/condoning real-life rapists or trying to be the most well-adjusted person in the room, since for the latter case I have nothing to gain from it. When I downplay the rape in fiction, I don't do it for the sake of it, but because it honestly doesn't affect me. Being unbothered by fictional rape doesn’t mean a person is less emphatic or completely desensitized and it doesn’t make them the better or lesser person. |
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DmonHiro
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I don't exactly get why you're bringing Astarotte's Toy into this. That show wasn't really misogynistic, nor was it offensive. It was actually a very sweet family comedy. The premise it was based on was horrible, but other then mentioning it one time... they didn't follow up wit it. It was quite harmless. |
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Kerberous
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Sorry about that. Guess I forgot that this is one of the few places on Earth that would defending something like Astarotte's Toy or KissxSis. |
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DmonHiro
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I think you're confusing Astarotte with something else, because it's not similar to KxS (which I LOATHE, by the way). Rotte was SUPPOSED to be a fanservice show, going by the premise, but for some reason, it turned out to be a story about family, with the occasional mild fanservice shot. That is actually the reason why it did abysmally. People who wanted a loli ecchi show found a rather heartwarming tale, with little to no ecchi. People who might have enjoyed the story were put off by the premise, and never watched it. It was a marketing nightmare. |
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Mugley
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Internet arguments are mostly about devolving into "if you're not with me, then you're against me" schoolyard mentality especially when it's about hot-button social justice issues which ends up being a lot of strawman portryals of the opposing side |
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Fencedude5609
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I don't think that rape should never be used in fiction, but how and why its used should be examined.
Mirai Nikki is not a good show. I enjoyed watching it, but its not good. The rape(s? I only remember the one with the cult leader, were there more? Its one of those shows where the details start slipping away almost immediately) was/were pretty much along the lines of the rest of the show. Remember, this is the show where the character who in her first episode KILLS A BUNCH OF MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS ends up becoming the closest thing the show has to an actual hero and honorable character. I don't think Mirai Nikki needed the rape scenes, but then again, it didn't need most of what it had, so getting upset over that seems to be a little pointless. I find it more concerning when a rape is used as a cheap form of character development or just seemingly thrown in for no good reason. Valvrave and Royal Space Force being good examples of this. As for Lotte no Omocha, the stated premise is pretty hair-raising, but then it never really comes up. And if you think about it, it kinda makes sense? Its basically saying that "in the future, once she grows up, this girl will have sex". Which is...almost banal. The whole point was she needs to grow up first. I can see why people don't like it, but the show is almost comically sweet compared to what you'd expect. Its like the people who freaked out at the plot description of B Gata H Kei. |
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ActionJacksin
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My whole two worthless cents on the "worrying about how offended someone is at [show]" issue: Quite frankly it shouldn't matter how one perceives or reacts to a piece of entertainment just because you had a reaction that turns you off from said work. Now, it seems from what Zac said that he was being bombarded with others gloating that they aren't offended by rape in a cartoon. And I can understand how annoying that can be, as it's just e-penis waving and gloating about entertainment. No, I don't think you are somehow admirable for not being offended by something that was to me.
BUT I won't immediately write you off as maladjusted or sick in the head just because were able to stick with something despite it devolving into pure degeneracy. Case in point: the Violence Jack OVAs. In my opinion, I think they're twisted pieces of work that almost seem fascinated and even delighted in murdering and raping its characters to death, with not a single likable person in all three episodes. By the second one, I was squirming in my seat at what essentially was a scene of cannibalism (and more if you're watching the uncut version). I couldn't take it, and stopped watching when the chainsaw scene occurred in episode 3. However, I've read people being able to stick with the whole series (including one person responsible for a blog I follow religiously). And my reaction to that is "well, congrats on having more of a stomach for this than I did", and nothing more. I didn't feel the need to dissect what part of their brain is missing just because they sat through it all, nor did I look down on them as being mentally or socially underdeveloped just because their threshold for the detached and gruesome is greater than mine. In the end, you can't judge someone as a person for reacting or enjoying something you didn't like, even if they may annoyingly gloat about their tepid response to something offensive. spoiler[And if anything, that to me is no different than scoffing at someone for their enthusiasm of something that I don't like. And I know Zac his voiced displeasure about that in a previous episode of the podcast.] |
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Lord Geo
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That's kind of the point of Violence Jack, though. It's a post-apocalyptic world where people have become the absolute worst humanity can offer. If you are an actual humane person in that world then it's very likely that something absolute horrible will happen to you. Hell, even Jack himself isn't a savior in most ways; he won't kill innocents on purpose, but he has no qualms about them dying if they're in the middle of a fight he's in. Go Nagai purposefully created a world that can't possibly get any worse because it's the absolute lowest humans can already get. That's an example where stuff like rape really is "acceptable" to have used in anime & manga, simply because that very world is already so depraved & horrible that you almost can't get offended by a rape happening in it. |
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Guile
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In the case of fetishization it's safe to say violence is fetishist just as well. The 'torture porn' genre of sleezy, violent movies that gleefully portray the splattering of blood and body parts has been a staple of our media for decades. I remember watching a lot of Troma Entertainment productions back during the 80s, and 90s and they were without a doubt some of the most disgusting and hyper violent movies I have ever seen even to this day. Similar movies are still being produced to this day. It's hard to argue violence isn't fetishized in our culture. We as audiences are expected to root for the hero when they murder the villains. Even more odd is when serial killer characters like Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees are treated as the stars of slasher films and we are supposed to cheer them on as they brutally murder the stock teenage characters writers have tailor made for audiences to want to see die. Final Destination and Saw are recent franchises that revolves entirely around audiences only watching them to see all the creative and gruesome ways people can die. I'm unsure how you could even assert there's no such thing as murder apology out there. It happens all the time in both media and in real life. But before I comment too much futher I'd like to hear what you define as 'rape apologist' because I'd rather make sure we are on the same page. |
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