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BonusStage
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The two go hand in hand quite often. If you've seen the cosplay shoots done at Comiket or other conventions it can be quite sexual. Otaku focuses cosplay is absolutely going to be sexual. It's an entire industry on the internet these days through sites like Patreon and Onlyfans.
I never really understood this mindset. It minimizes everything into basic principals and implies everything is fundamentally interchangeable. People watch things specifically for these characters and scenarios. People want to see Marin be sexy, not just any other girl. It's like people who watch a specific movie or show because it has a sexy scene of a specific actor they like in it. Sure, you could watch actual porn, or other films with sexy scenes in them, but it's not that specific actor. |
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NeverConvex
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No need to lash out. I don't think those are especially valuable details, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Now, on to the really blistering part of my critique: did they really have to name him Gojo? I just can't stop picturing the loveable white-haired JJK fellow. 
I do agree with this. This small touch (thinking of Marin's embarrassment, specifically) is one of the things I had in mind in another thread when I commented that I thought it was about as well done a scene as a genre staple of its sort can be. I could still have done with it being 10x shorter, but I can't say it was poorly crafted. |
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Florete
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Loved the first episode. It's great to see someone like Gojo who feels like an actual character rather than a viewer stand-in, and he has a passion that isn't common but is believable as something that would leave him as a bit of a loner, and that makes him relatable. It's also nice to see an anime/eroge otaku who's popular and not have that be some sort of secret or big twist. She just is, and she's accepted by others like it's nothing out of the ordinary.
Second episode, while it makes sense in general, got a bit too exaggerated at times. Gojo being embarrassed and flustered is perfectly natural and expected, but it came to a point where I wanted to tell him to stop being such a b-word (while not in those words, even Marin seemed to take that stance when she was sitting on the futon). He did manage it, at least...eventually. |
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Animegomaniac
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That is so hilariously incorrect it made me laugh out loud. Swimswear is made to be seen or to be not seen. Underwear is made to be seen or to be not seen. What was going on in the scene was that Marin needed to be a lot less restricted in order to get a good measurement; A one piece swimsuit or a really confining bra just wouldn't work. |
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Covnam
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Enjoyed the first two episodes. I was surprised that Kitagawa revealed it was an eroge. I figured it would be PriCure-esque type of show. I wonder if her proclivities for that type of content will be relevant later on... Well it's probably good that Gojo understands her interests in that regard from the start lol
So, was Gainax doing some guest work in episode 2 or just inspired by them? 
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Yeah man, what would I know about getting measurements taken. Not like I've ever cosplayed or gotten a custom-fitted garment before oh wait I've done both. Marin literally says she wore a swimsuit because she figured Gojo would get flustered about measuring her in her underwear. Not a single word about how restrictive or confining other garments would be. I have no idea how on earth you come up with these things. And honestly, wearing a swimsuit isn't the best because ideally when you get measured, you wear whatever you're planning to wear under what you're getting measured for - when I was getting measured for my wedding dress, I wore the support garments I was planning to wear the day of. Yes, some underwear is made to be seen, but generally only in intimate contexts. Whether you're wearing sexy lingerie or a sports bra and panties with holes in them, they're private. Most people don't buy swimsuits just to wear them around the house; they're made to be worn in front of other people, even if some people feel nervous about it. I am a woman, and I am well aware of the purpose and connotations of the various garments I buy. Or are you going to continue to mansplain the purpose of various women's garments to me? |
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The Scream Man
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100% this. And it irked me because till that point I'd had the impression she was relatively good at reading people. She makes no effort to ask him anything she just barrel rolls him into submission, and that bothered me more than any of the other elements of the second episode. |
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meiam
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It's perfectly understandable to want to see this specific character in sexy position, but wouldn't you want it to go all the way rather than just tease and accomplish nothing? I'm sure if you wait a few weeks there'll be tons of actual porn with these character created (actually there's probably already plenty), wouldn't you want to watch that over this where nothing will happen? Just feel like if you're really into this character you'd just leave episode 2 with blue ball. As far as the bikini being made to be seen but not underwear, I guess that can be an explanation? Doesn't make much sense to me, by that logic if you passed by a Victoria Secret store there shouldn't be any mannequin with underwear and guy looking at them would be a big taboo. Ultimately I don't think anyone really care about the piece of clothing involved, they care about what they cover (or don't). I guess that could have been an interesting aspect to bring to the episode, maybe have her not caring about him seeing her cause she's in bikini and not understanding why he's so uncomfortable. But nah, nvm, let's instead have a fifth scene where Gojo is really uncomfortable and the two have the same conversation again. |
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Are you saying you don't see any difference between a flesh and blood woman making a choice about what she's wearing and who gets to see it, and a mannequin in a store? Not to mention that yes, there is a degree of taboo to men wandering into a lingerie store. |
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earl.m
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Good grief. 23 comments so far and 19 of them are about fanservice, and in a show that doesn't even come close to what a 2000s decade show from feel (who has really toned it down from stuff like Mayo Chiki and KissxSis to Hinamatsuri and Remake Our Life) would have had. Look, it would be one thing if this were a shoujo or josei show. But this is shonen. Yes the manga is in a seinen print but the leads are 15, OK? So how many 12-18 year old males would watch a show about making and modeling dresses if getting to look at Kitagawa early and often wasn't a lure? Leave that out and practically no one watches it. So why make it? People can decry the fact that teenage boys are quite fond of looking at scantily clad teenage girls. Or they can bemoan the fact that shonen entertainment chooses to make money (which it actually very much does need to survive) by providing the content that teenage boys like. But what good does pretending as if we don't know why the fanservice is there do? Particularly since it would require pretending as this show would have any chance at all commercially if it wasn't? It is why Kitagawa is an outgoing gorgeous gyaru instead of shy and plain-looking. The target market prefer'. It is why Wakana is slender, tall, normal etc. instead of fat, sweaty and beady-eyed creepy. It is possible to do a shonen work about a fat, sweaty and beady-eyed creepy protagonist, but not one involves females being forced into vulnerable situations with him. (Instead, Btooom! had the female character KILL the fat, sweaty, beady-eyed creepy guy at the first opportunity.) I suppose that it would be more useful, productive and realistic to debate "should the producers of this show stood on principle and made it without fanservice despite fully knowing that it would fail" and the larger issue "should the shonen entertainment industry exist at all if it can't survive without fanservice, and if it can't should all the people who work in it make the moral move of letting it die." That is a much more honest discussion to have than "why does this show have half-naked girls in it so often" when you already know what the answer is beforehand: "because the audience that this show needs to attract wants to see them." |
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NeverConvex
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I think it's fine that there's a lot of fanservice, and that Marin's conventionally drawn to be very attractive. I think it's a cute eccentricity that she's into eroge, specifically, and based on episode 1 expect it to make for hilarious interactions between the two.
Episode 2 was mostly fanservice, though. The problem, for me, isn't that it was fanservice heavy; it's that they focused so heavily on the fanservice they forgot to make the episode underlying it any good. It was obnoxious, trite, and repetitive. And yeah, most of the thread's about fanservice, because one of the two episodes we've seen was 20 minutes of nothing but that. So, you know, people are talking about that. |
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earl.m
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Also there seems to be a general "if there has to be fanservice then relegate it to the ecchi bucket" consensus because there are far fewer complaints about fanservice in - for example - women's sports shows than there are regarding the likes of Peter Grill and Super Hxeros. But maybe the opposite is true? That the preteen-teen male desire to look at pretty teenage girls would be better served by quality tasteful shows with real artistic merit than by puerile trash?
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The Anime Binge-Watcher
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The bizarre thing, I'm usually the first person to complain about long stretches of fanservice like the one in episode 2. And yet, I really liked the episode! Sure, it's not NOT there to give straight guys something to drool over, but it's also completely in line with both their characters and does a great job developing their relationship while respecting Marin's autonomy over her own body. I never felt like I was being forced to invade someone's privacy against my will, I felt like I was watching two awkward teens interact how they naturally would in a situation like this.
In my mind, if there must be fanservice in anime, this is how it SHOULD be used. Not at the expense of character and emotional investment, but in service of it. As long as Dress-Up Darling keeps toeing that line, I think I'm gonna have very few issues with its bawdiness. |
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Errinundra
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earl.m, you're soapboxing again. You've made your point. |
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Yttrbio
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And yeah, completely independently of fanservice (which I like), the scene dragged on forever, repeating the same gag ("he's freaking out!") over and over. |
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