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asimpson2006



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:21 am Reply with quote
Gundampilotspaz wrote:
asimpson2006 wrote:


Fall 2010:

I know I will check out the moe shows since I'm into that stuff, but I probably won't follow a lot this season, mainly due to time constraints and I want to get my DVD back log taken care of.

Here is what I will at least give a shot:

MM
My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute
Panty and Stocking


There will probably be some others that I will probably check out, but I will wait until the fall preview comes out.


The reaction I had when I first saw the line up for this season was the same. It is a wasteland. I'm tempting to go back and watch Index because the second season is one of the only show I'm remotely interested in that I've heard talked about passionately. That and Bakuman. (But I hate to go and watch it now, after Funi has licensed it) While Panty and Stockimg looks interesting and is from Gainax the style alone may chance fans away. The Japanese art style is what attracts many American fans to anime in the first place and while Gainax is experimenting probably to expand their audience, anime fans may just ignore it.

I'm praying some of these dull looking shows offer a little more than their summeries and trailers have shown, if not I'm going to be making a big hit in my DVD backlog as well.


Most of mine is due to time constrains and not so much about quality. I won't check out the Season 2 for any of the shows since I have yet to watch the season 1 for any of those shows.
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Parsifal24





PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:27 am Reply with quote
I tried looking for Aoi Hana on Crunchy Roll it's not there anymore apparently. As far as shows that are upcoming that I'm looking forward to The Squid Girl looks like one I could get into.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:35 am Reply with quote
tuxedocat wrote:
OTOH, Jon and Scott need to stick to their own blog. I found much of their commentary incredibly immature (and somewhat offensive). I know that they probably feel they get publicity from their repeat appearances on ANNcast, but this show's performance convinced me to avoid their website. Sorry.


I'll agree that they're a little immature, which is hardly a bad thing, but I have to ask how you found it somewhat offensive? I can't think of anything they said that would be offensive to even the most overly-sensitive people.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:04 am Reply with quote
It's a call in show, as long as they where not treated like they where experts on the level of Zac, Justin or Mike Toole than I see no reason for why they shouldn't be on ANNCast. Look their was plenty of time for people to ask to be on ANNCast. I mean unless you where on vacation their is no excuse for whining about how you didn't get on ANNCast.

Also the only thing they said that made me raise my eyebrow was them not knowing about Knight Hunters, which tells me that their more recent additions to the anime community as opposed to some veteran like Toole or Surat.

The only complaint I can see is that they didn't like what you like. Heaven forbid they get someone with different taste who don't bitch about how cute girls are going to destroy anime.

The centerpiece of the show was clearly intended to be Erica and she preformed beautifully making me amazed at her knowledge, and how she handled herself.
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rabrek



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:29 am Reply with quote
I have zero interest in yuri, but I'm now an Erica Friedman fan. I'll be browsing Okazu for the meta content. There's a long article on Banned Books Week, and hmmm, she didn't like After School Nightmare. Which I liked a lot, and now I have a better understanding of why I like it, having digested Erica's well-reasoned comments. Plus the Hayate x Blade v12 review is pure, unadulterated win. Yup. This site's a keeper.

It'd be cool to have Erica on again, to expand on her thoughts and insights on fandom in general, and approaches to educating fans and getting people past the free ride mentality. That's good stuff.
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Gundampilotspaz



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:50 am Reply with quote
Charred Knight wrote:

Also the only thing they said that made me raise my eyebrow was them not knowing about Knight Hunters, which tells me that their more recent additions to the anime community as opposed to some veteran like Toole or Surat.


I don't see why knowledge of a mediocre late 90s fantasy anime should be the basis for my expertise in the subject. I looked up now that you mentioned it and I recognize the name "Weiss Kreuz" but it isn't something I've heard talked about lately. In fact, I don't think I've seen the shows name since I used to post on the Anime Nation forums seven years ago and even at that time I didn't have much interest as I've always been a much larger fan of science fiction.

But if Weiss Kreuz is something that I should be aware of, then I'll try and check it out.


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machetecat



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:52 am Reply with quote
@Uchenna Kema: I know you said you don't really look for military related shows, but I was wondering if you'd seen Full Metal Panic. I'm kinda curious about how realistic that show is military-wise. It looks pretty accurate, but it'd be interesting to hear an opinion from someone who's lived it.

Erica's really cool. I think I'm gonna check out her site now. She also gets major points for mentioning Colbert.

When it comes to this season, I'm mostly planning to check out Panty and Stocking, Tegami Bachi, Kuragehime, and Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru, and ogainu no chi -Bloody Curs-.
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einhorn303



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:57 am Reply with quote
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"...being under the impression that yuri titles...I mean, maybe this is must my misconception of it, but it's not as exploitative as yaoi is, it's not as over-the-top. It's certainly not quite as pornographic."


I can't quite agree with this. You can't forget all the yuri shows like Strike Witches (and I'm saying this as someone who's written Strike Witches slash fanfic).


So are you talking about how certain shows shoe-horns yuri elements as a means of fanservice without actual relationship development?


Nah, the relationship development is what the show is actually about. Just go watch Ep 6 from S2.
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agila61



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:59 am Reply with quote
DarkRoseFairy wrote:
Charred Knight wrote:


This bit with Hetalia is akward just because if I remember right Zac hated it.


Zac from a few shows back said he only hated the dub, it was Justin that said he hated the show.

The yuri part was really interesting to hear about because I don't know much about it. I may check out Maria Watch Over Us one day.
If you want to catch the stream, don't delay, Nozomi is streaming season 1 at YouTube and they do timecasts ~ the first two episodes stay up as samplers, but the following episodes go down after around a month.

Speaking of which:
Parsifal24 wrote:
I tried looking for Aoi Hana on Crunchy Roll it's not there anymore apparently.
Yes, Crunchy were vague on the details, and it happened without warning, but when people asked, they said the license expired. I'd like to see Nozomi get the rights, they'd do justice to a DVD release.

Big Hed wrote:
Ironically, the only anime I've seen that gives a damn about military realism is Flag. There's a production team that did some homework.
That's the one that came to my mind ~ no idea why it would be "ironically", it was aiming for gritty realism in a near future SF setting (and generic not exactly any country in particular locale) throughout.

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... However--without seeking to undermine the validity (literary, visceral or otherwise) of existing Yuri, Yaoi, and LGBT works in general--the question that remains for me is: do these works require their own distinct genre?
Yuri doesn't really have a distinct genre in anime ~ there is yuri-light and yuri-melodrama shojo ai, there is yuri as a fanservice or a comic element in shonen and seinen ... indeed, following Erica's working definition of yuri as "lesbian relationships without lesbian identity", most of yuri in anime as opposed to manga is either in subtexts rather than explicit plot development, or played as a gag, as in STRAIN (which you can stream here). And creators can be teases, playing a game of "is there or isn't there", since of course if fans are filling in the blanks, different fans fill in the blanks different ways as suit their tastes.

There is a shorthand used by yuri watchers, "yuri goggles", which are put on and turned up to various settings to magnify any intentional or accidental hints toward yuri that are present. Aria is an example of a series where there is a substantial degree of hero-worship of one young trainee for her sempai, which becomes an unspoken romantic yearning when yuri goggles are turned up to 6 or 7 ... but then the "real" romance is in a different direction entirely.

Maria-sama ga Miteru is "yuri-lite" in the sense that the relationships are strong emotional relationships but with the exception of one character very clearly platonic, while Aoi Hana and Sasameki Koto are quite directly a yuri romance and romantic comedy even if the goggles happen to be back in the shop for repair.


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darkchibi07



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:16 am Reply with quote
Parsifal24 wrote:
I tried looking for Aoi Hana on Crunchy Roll it's not there anymore apparently.


I heard streaming rights expired which is a bummer. I really HOPE that some R1 company license Aoi Hana for DVD (c'mon, RightStuf, this title is right up your alley).

einhorn303 wrote:

Nah, the relationship development is what the show is actually about. Just go watch Ep 6 from S2.


Ok, this is where the definition of yuri gets really fuzzy. Are we really including these platonic relationships where they may or may not lead to actual romance and why do we even bother? Granted Elia's and Sanya's romantic relationship with each other is debatable and by far the closest thing of an actual couple, it just seems we're beating around the bush with this whole "yuri-lite" thing; we might as well include K-ON, Aria, Ga-rei Zero, or Hitohira for that matter. It's one of the main reason I really, REALLY, have a hard time swallowing the fact Marimite is a yuri series or even recommend anyone to Marimite if they want to get into yuri. Mind you, I would recommend that series for its excellent character development.
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Eyre



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:38 am Reply with quote
darkchibi07 wrote:
Parsifal24 wrote:
I tried looking for Aoi Hana on Crunchy Roll it's not there anymore apparently.


I heard streaming rights expired which is a bummer. I really HOPE that some R1 company license Aoi Hana for DVD (c'mon, RightStuf, this title is right up your alley).


So that means it wasn't Apple blocking the streaming but just an expiration of the license? I guess I am still confused about the comment with regards to LGBT items being blocked on iPad. (maybe this involved the whole Flash issue?)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:47 am Reply with quote
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einhorn303 wrote:

Nah, the relationship development is what the show is actually about. Just go watch Ep 6 from S2.


Ok, this is where the definition of yuri gets really fuzzy. Are we really including these platonic relationships where they may or may not lead to actual romance
Its fuzzy on purpose. And who does fuzzy on purpose better than the Japanese? Remember that Japanese is a language that has a few ways of saying yes and no and a thousand ways to say maybe.

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and why do we even bother?
... the creators invite those interested in filling in the blanks that way to do so, and those interested in filling in the blanks that way comply.

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... we might as well include K-ON, Aria, Ga-rei Zero, or Hitohira for that matter. ...
... and, not surprisingly, Erica often reports the Japanese language yuri forums counting several of those as yuri, even if she reckons the yuri in Aria and K-ON! is only there by projection.

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It's one of the main reason I really, REALLY, have a hard time swallowing the fact Marimite is a yuri series or even recommend anyone to Marimite if they want to get into yuri. Mind you, I would recommend that series for its excellent character development.
Except for the Forest of Thorns arc, which is quite definitely yuri ... and was Light Novel #3, which then cast the Rosa Canina arc in a yuri light, and that was Light Novel #4. The anime reversed the order, purportedly left a lot of the Rosa Canina light novel on the cutting room floor, and put Valentine's day in between, which left the Rosa Canina arc more ambiguous.

Its not a full-on yuri romance like Strawberry Panic (nor over the top melodrama like Strawberry Panic), but in addition to the ambiguous akogare elements that yuri fans project as yuri, it has quite distinct yuri arcs. And since they were early on, that casts a shadow on the way the whole series is viewed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:21 pm Reply with quote
Hey, machetecat, about your question, FMP is.. ..its so anime it hurts (16 year olds? In my military force?) But its ok. The sub is too big, I wish subs had rooms like that instead of the future fun of sharing beds. They at least got the fact they would all be sergeants (though they should use naval ranks constantly, instead of the mix of marine/navy ranks that they have.

Also, strike witches is yuri? If that is true I guess the Nanoha series is the biggest yuri fest I like. But tell me, is Nanoha an example of if I've got this right the "Will they or won't they?" (for a magical girl show, it actually manages to get the feel of A-school right (StrikerS, finally my import DVDs came in)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:39 pm Reply with quote
Ahh yes, the Forest of Thorns arc is by far the biggest highlight I ever got out of Marimite. Granted ANYTHING involving Sei is god-tier. You know it'll be really awesome if she had her own spin-off series. Seriously!!! Crying or Very sad

And to be honest, this is why I'm little jealous towards yaoi fans because they don't have to "read between the lines" when finding yaoi titles; it's all direct and obvious. They know there will be definite romantic relationship between two guys (whether it's exploitative or not is another story). The fact we have this:

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... we might as well include K-ON, Aria, Ga-rei Zero, or Hitohira for that matter. ...

... and, not surprisingly, Erica often reports the Japanese language yuri forums counting several of those as yuri, even if she reckons the yuri in Aria and K-ON! is only there by projection.


...just makes the Japanese grasping straws. I guess the otaku are just starting to warm up to the whole two girls getting into a romantic relationship thing. I don't know if I should ask this, but what took the otaku so long to embrace yuri in the first place? Why around 2003-2005 and not say 20 years ago? There could have been a competitive counterpart for yaoi, but obviously yaoi kept on building up a fanbase for quite awhile while yuri stayed fairly stagnate until the mid 2000s.
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Shichimi



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:49 pm Reply with quote
_V_ wrote:
( V grins maniacally)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iNRCLH2Jzs

Where we're taking anime fandom....every day is Halloween!!

(God help us all)

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I am both impressed by your level of passion, and deeply, deeply scared. Wink

It was very interesting to hear about yuri from Erica; the only title I've read that could fit into this is Kashimashi, but it kinda cheats spoiler[National Enquirer level premise: "Aliens gave me a sex change!!!1!"]. I would definitely like to sample some more provided it focuses on an actual developing relationship.

As usual this ANNCast made fun background listening while I worked. Good job, everyone.


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