Forum - View topicRahxephon: Pluralitas Concentio Movie [Possible Spoilers]
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ParukeruBuraian
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Hey all, this is my first post on ANN, so I'm hoping I'm not retreading a beaten path here. Given that Pluralitas Concentio's US release just happened yesterday though, I'm faily confident here.
For those who have seen this, perhaps you can be of assistance to me. At the end of the movie: spoiler[When all hell has broken loose, the world is re-tuned, and Ayato becomes the new observer of time, it would seem to me that it is inferred that Ayato never returns and his adult relationship with Haruka exists solely as memories granted through the re-tuning process. The constant references to "Through the Looking Glass," particularly Haruka's conversation with granddaughter Reika at the end of the movie, would seem to suggest that Haruka's life was also a mix of reality and a dream; the reality of Ayato being taken from her for his new role as Observer of Time but the happy memories of their lives together coming from the dream of the Rahxephon system.] Now, to be certain, there are probably all kinds of things that I've missed that make my questioning irrelevant. However, there are also possible answers that don't work to disprove my thoughts. spoiler[For instance, one might speculate that Ayato had to have returned and lived a real life with Haruka because Reika is their granddaughter, suggesting that they were physically together to have kids. The only problem here is their sex scene in the movie, which would make it more than possible for Haruka to have a child even if Ayato remains in Observer of Time limbo for the rest of his life.] To be honest, I'm kinda hoping that somebody can come along and present evidence to prove that I'm completely in the wrong with this line of thinking. spoiler[The emotions of the TV series at the ending were tragic enough, but thankfully the coda showed that Ayato and Haruka were able to physically live their lives together in spite of the entire ordeal. Even though getting memories of life together would help Haruka get through the pain of losing Ayato to the Rahxephon system, it seems like an awfully harsh fate. True, no anime series is guaranteed a 100% happy ending, and most don't even come close, but I'm torn after my first viewing.] That's about all my rambling for now. I'm definitely looking forward to interesting conversation points in the meantime. |
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Tony K.
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Welcome, and wow, you hit all of those plot-points pretty well. I just saw the movie myself yesterday and everything you said in the spoilers sounds true enough.
So, what exactly are you questioning in the first spoiler? From what I'm understanding, are you asking spoiler[ If the end result of Haruka's memories are just a combination of what actually was and what could've been, had she lived and grown with Ayato? I think the Observers said something like they weren't able to turn back time, but that they held all of the past within them. So I guess with what knowledge they had, they could've created some kind of artificial memory as a result of the time differences between Earth time and Tokyo Jupiter time, or something like that. Since in the beginning of the movie, they showed Ayato and Haruka together as teens, maybe the re-tuning of the world was able to separate Earth from Tokyo Jupiter and thus create two separate timelines for the Observers to watch upon, kind of like an alternate reality. With that said, if the Observers had watched the world in which Ayato was actually living with Haruka, maybe they were able to create memories based on what they had seen. Of course there's the thing with Ayato already being an Observer, so I don't really know how that could happen.] Ah well, that's just a wild theory of mine. I'm a little sleepy, so sorry if that sounds too weird  .
As for the 2nd and 3rd spoilers, they sound pretty good to me. Although for the 3rd one: spoiler[ I didn't find the ending in either the series or the movie to be that bad. In the series, the Coda made it possible for both Haruka and Ayato to be together, which is all that they ever wanted even during the series. The way I saw it, with the re-tuning of the world, I assumed everything that happened in the series prior to it had been completley wiped out of the pages of history, and thus leading to a new beginning. In musical terms, I believe Coda means to go back and start from a certain part of a song or peice. In this case, the Coda took the viewer back to when Ayato met Haruka. But as to what may have become of the other timeline, I don't really know, so maybe I'm wrong. And in the movie, I feel that since Haruka had recieved the memories anyway, it was still a happy ending for her. Sure, she didn't actually spend her life with him physcially, but as a lot of people tend to think or say, you never really lose someone dear as long as they are in your hearts (or in this case, her memories too.)] All in all, I think the series and movie are both excellent titles, although, I've only seen each of them once, so maybe a rewatch sometime wouldn't hurt. 
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ParukeruBuraian
Posts: 14 Location: Orono, Maine, USA |
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Another point that I forgot to mention in my first run-through:
spoiler[At the end of the movie when Haruka is talking with Reika in their house, there is a Buddhist memorial shrine deal with Ayato's Buddhist death name and a lit candle. This throws a bit of a kink into my discussion before, unless I'm just really out of touch with the Buddhist religion. For me, seeing the candle lit seemed to convey that Ayato had not passed away long ago, and thus it would be understandable to think that he was able to live a real physical life with Haruka. However, a big part of this assumption is based on the thought that a candle would only be lit for a certain unspecified amount of time after a person's death. If it is, instead, that the candle is lit daily for every day that the survivors remain with the memorial, then Haruka may very well have lit that candle every day since the end of the tuning of the world. That's a crapload of candles though  .]
So I guess the discussion remains. After a little bit of thought, I agree with you (Tony K.) when you say that spoiler[neither the series nor the movie has a really "sad" ending. The only hang-up for me is that in the series, we get to see them live together, while the movie is based on memories, which are much less finite.] |
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Tony K.
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spoiler[ Wow, I didn't even notice the thing about the shrine. Well, I'm no expert on Shinto Buddhism, so I can't say I know whether or not the candle thing holds any religious significance, but what I would say from a literary viewpoint is that the candle may represent the whole "memories" idea that the Observers had granted upon Haruka.
As I stated in my earlier post, a lot of people in close or intimate/romantic relationships usually feel that if you love someone that is that dear to you, and if that person can't be there physically (say because of death or great separation), as long as they're within your heart or memories, you'll never forget them. Yes, I know it's a bit of an overused cliche, but it makes sense if you believe in that sort of idea. So anyway, I was thinking maybe the candle coincides with the very essence of the memories that Haruka has. I guess you could call it symbolism or something where the constant burning candles represent the constant memories of Ayato that Haruka had bestowed upon her, though not being a literature expert either, I'm sure there's an another word for the kind of relation I'm trying to get at  .]
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