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BeanBandit
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Thank you for your thoughts on Gunslinger Girl as I pretty much had the same reaction as you did (meaning the author). My brother bought that show and watched the first two or so episodes with him before I decided to leave and hop in the shower for about an hour.
Like Erin said in the article if you want good gunplay watch Gunsmith Cats or something instead. |
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Megiddo
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What particularly was it that made you leave and hop in the shower for about an hour? Was your A/C broken and you were all sweaty? Had you not showered for awhile? Was there a particular scene in what you were watching that you found icky (and thus needing to be cleansed)? I'd love to know, seeing as your statement here is empty seeing as there is no reason listed to why you left and took a shower. Oh, and the first two episodes are up on Youtube in case ya can't remember the details. |
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varmintx
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 You're not helping Skeletor.
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BeanBandit
Posts: 303 Location: Canada |
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The moe creep factor. Usually I can brush off most moe shows like Kanon and Air which dont really bother or offend me in any particular way (never watched either series through but I've seen the first few episodes of each). Gunslinger Girl on the other hand just really got under my skin in terms of creepiness and little girls with guns as Erin covered in her article. If people like this kinda stuff I'm not going to argue with anybody about it but that's my 2 cents on it. |
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vashfanatic
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He doesn't intend to. You know that's the guy who pretty much runs the site, right? He takes bleak amusement in how the forums ERUPT the moment the words "moe" and "lolicon" appear anywhere. |
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Megiddo
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By this you mean the submissiveness of the girls to their fratello/brothers, I imagine (although Triela sure ain't submissive ^^)? The girls' attitudes of wanting to be praised and yearning for approval? Well, I mean, the girls have to have some sort of goal to show that they are still human. And I think plenty of anime have already been made to show that the huge importance of identity and approval. I guess if the girls were just mindless robots (IE, if their "conditioning" was applied to maximum) then there wouldn't be any sort of humanity left in them, and they would no longer seek approval. So, in the end, the one thing that makes the girls human is what makes people think it's "creepy". That's quite interesting. Thanks for at least explaining your thoughts a little bit more. |
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omoikane
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Some observations, probably random.
1. Lolicon is being used like moe, in that people who don't like it don't really care for the nuances of the term, and just brandish it like "germs" or "bugs" without any intention (for good and for evil) of blurring the meaning of the term. Because, really, what exactly are germs? what the hell are bugs? These are fuzzy-logic labels. So is lolicon. Except when biologists use the term "germs" they know it is a general, unscientific and unspecific term. Reviewers need to know that this could be the case with these catchy japanese imports. (Still it doesn't hurt to do a bit of research, yeah?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon 2. I'm just glad nobody is using the term roricon anymore. 3. War is a meaningless term, too, for that matter. (I would not use the word to describe anything in Gunslinger Girl. These kids are not exactly child soldiers, no more than cops and special investigators are soldiers.) 4. I think it's fine to dislike Gunslinger Girl, but please, just say it creeps you out or whatever. Leave the L word alone if you don't know what it means. It is certainly possible to express the exact same concept without resorting to these cheap outs that are borderline troll terms (but I guess that's what you're doing?), and at the same time, gain clarity. |
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Ranma824
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Just because somebody else has the same ridiculous opinion, doesn't make it any more plausible. Actually, it's good that you've brought this to the threads' attention; so we will know who's opinion to not take seriously. |
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PetrifiedJello
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Ooh, the Final Jeopardy answer! *wages it all *writes "What is Sheera, He-Man in drag, to an anime fan?" Did I win? |
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vashfanatic
Posts: 3495 Location: Back stateside |
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By your argument, all terms are actually "meaningless" since their meaning is (shockingly!) dependent on context and usage rather than internal essence. Did Nagarjuna just sign on to the forum or something? [genius bonus on the reference there, I have to show my MA in religious studies somehow] |
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Petrea Mitchell
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To answer your Top Gear question, they brought some Japanese drifters in recently during one of their car reviews to demonstrate that the car in question (can't remember which one, sorry) was really good for drifting, but they have never had a mobile suit episode. I don't think they're likely to do a mobile suit episode unless it somehow involved trying to make one out of a car. (Not beyond the realm of possibility, since James has already tried making a miniature Space Shuttle based around a Reliant Robin, a few seasons ago...)
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outlaw55
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Well Erin, if we are going to go by your definition of lolicon, let's go ahead and call all anime porn! I'm sure someone is getting off to Doremon somewhere in the world!
On a serious note, you might want to go start looking at Urban Dictionary and pooling definitions to understand net slang since you apparently have no idea how to use terms you've read before. Sure "lolicon" may not be in the dictionary (yet), but it will most likely be the more the term is used (as that happens over time). |
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ZakuAce
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Thanks for the laugh Zac I can just see Zac at his computer with his fists in the air saying, "Damn you lolicon!"
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erinfinnegan
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Well, we define other manga genres by demographic. How do you know Naruto is shonen? It runs in Shonen Jump, and, like the magazine, it is intended for a male audience of a certain age. It is shelved in with the other shonen manga, (in Japan anyway). I have stood in the lolicon section of a manga store in Akihabara. There are lolicon anthology magazines. Gunslinger Girl ran in freakin' Dengeki Daioh. I swear that magazine wil be the death of me yet. It's shonen, sometimes seinen. Here's another source.
That is really gross and I did not know that much about Shirley Temple.
I wouldn't have used the word if I didn't think I knew what it meant. I'm not trolling intentionally. The forum outrage often surprises me. From my perspective, it's as if I called The Rolling Stones a "rock band". I think I know what "rock" means. I consider myself somewhat knowledgeable about rock (I know some of the history, I've heard a lot of albums, read magazines and books on the topic). The last thing I would expect is for a forum thread to pop up where 50 people can't believe I just called The Rolling Stones a "rock" band. If I said, "I hate The Rolling Stones," knowing how well loved they are, sure, I'd expect some disagreement. But you can't really come back at me with "Well, you're wrong, you love The Rolling Stones." I thought The Rolling Stones were the rock band of the 20th century, the prime example of what rock is and a way to define rock. I am downright shocked to find a large part of the internet disagrees with me and that the discussion has disintegrated into subjective definitions of the word "rock" itself. Please look forward to my review of The Beatles... errr Gunslinger Girl Season 2.
I don't agree with your definition of "ridiculous." Anime Jump was a big influential site in its day. Between that review and some links to other reviews on this site, I'm glad to know I'm not the only reviewer who felt this way, regardless of labels. |
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slipperybogle
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Not to nitpick but whether any given title is "shonen" for example may be debatable. However, the shonen demographic seems to be pretty clearly defined in terms of age/gender. It's not quite a tautology in the sense that vashfanatic was talking about. |
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