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Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (TV) (w/ index).

Wait. spoiler[Didn't you just say before you edited this post that Roy was attacking Envy with far more power and ferocity than he did with Lust?

I don't agree with every point made by dtm, but this one is valid. They should have either shown Roy practicing more restraint, or had him accidentally kill Envy. It's silly to have it both ways, given his comparative restraint with a much more powerful Lust.]

No actually Roy went completely berserk on Envy. What Roy dished out on Lust was nothing compared to what he dished out on Envy at all.

Riza is not a push over and he didn't have the chance to kill her, Roy came and stopped him.

Also he did run away from Roy when he had the chance. You are missing the point that Roy didn't give him many chances. When Envy realized he would not be able to fight Roy it was too late.

Oh come on suspension of disbelief. It's not a science series, it's a fantasy series.

What do you mean "all of sudden". Please show me where Roy was faced with a similar situation where he would go berserk before. Roy has mentioned that he would find Hughes killer at any cost. Every time he met a homunculus he asked "did you kill Hughes". It was one of the things that was driving him. As I said in the Adult Swim thread he once said that he was only going to find Hughes killer to help him rise to the top, but obviously that was not true. It was only when Roy was actually faced with Hughes killer (and how Envy so blatantly showed how he killed Hughes) that Roy's true feelings came out. He was able to keep it inside before because he was not directly faced with it.

As for not caring about Hughes...he was his best friend. The person who first said he would support him. The person that got him through Ishval. But no he doesn't care that much about him

Way to miss the point. Envy is not superior to humans and doesn't think he is superior to humans. It's called a FRONT. Read my long lengthy reply on this.

Al's body does have its conveniences but as been said many times in the series he's literally a walking time bomb. The armor was not meant to hold his soul and eventually it will reject that body. Not to mention he can't feel, sleep, eat, cry, etc. So yeah I see exactly what you mean why he would want that body just because he can fight better in it.

Again just because Envy says something doesn't mean this is how he really feels. He put humans down to make himself FEEL superior.

Again it's a fantasy. I am sure everything in the first series made perfect logical sense within the rules of our world too. The thing is nothing doesn't make sense within the context of the FMA world and that's what matters.

I have to watch the episode for the Sloth fight but I don't recall anything illogical about his body just that like the other homunculus it takes many times to kill him.

So no the major plot failing is you not paying attention to the plot.

One state alchemist can do a considerable amount of damage.

I can understand why Al would want to go back to his original body, soul rejection or not, but Ed?

Maidenoftheredhand, first of all, don't double-post. Secondly, learn to use the quote tags properly. Thirdly, your arguments hints A: that you didn't read my post properly, B: do not care about obviously crappy writing, and C: that you are completely devoted to believing in such crappy writing.

spoiler[That's what I was saying. Lust had more "lives" left than Envy before she faced off against Roy, and yet Envy survived far more damage than what was dished out to Lust. That's a major plot hole. And you obviously didn't read what I wrote, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you said.]

spoiler[He had plenty of time, but wasted it walking around and cluing Riza in that he wasn't Roy. He could have immediately incapacitated or killed Riza then and there (he is excellent at martial arts and she was very close), then used her body or corpse as a way to throw Roy off balance. Or having gotten her out of the way, assumed her form, taken her guns, and shot Roy when he ran into him.]

spoiler[He could have transformed and collapsed the floor again, but he didn't do it. He didn't even try to run. Standing there was a really stupid thing to do. Trying to fight Roy - whom he would have had excellent information on - head on was also a really dumb idea. Envy is a spy, an assassin, not a frontline soldier like Sloth.]

Suspension of disbelief is important. When a show pretends it is close to real life - as in, the characters breathe air, just like real humans do - then you'd expect it follow similar laws to real life as well.

spoiler[It is understandable for Roy to be angry. But up until now he's been a cool customer, even when the uprising was going on. Even when he was blowing out Envy's eyes. And yet, all of a sudden, Envy is in a pitiful state and he gets that angry? It is like an oven that was suddenly transformed into a blast furnace. The fury he had was as sudden as it was Over The Top. It was supposed to be Roy's Big Dramatic Scene but it just wasted literally half the episode.]

spoiler[Envy is superior; he doesn't age, he is almost immortal, and he has super powers. He is most certainly superior to humans. Maybe he has to obey orders but then so does everyone who works in the bottom rung of an office, so he isn't inferior at any rate. Why would he be envious, except for made-up reasons that are all in your head?]

I cannot remember properly, but in the first series I don't recall Al's soul rejecting the suit of armour.

I can understand why Al would want to go back to his original body, soul rejection or not, but Ed? With the sort of mechanical limbs they have, why isn't half the soldiers in the army equipped with automail? The number of times Ed's automail has saved his life are numerous, so why is he wanting to go back?

spoiler[Because he is superior, he looks down on humans. If I had his sort of powers I too would put down humans, torture them, kill them, insult their mothers. Because that's what superior people do.]

spoiler[
Alex is flesh and muscle and bone. And moustache. His alchemy does not extend to making him more than physically human. Therefore, if he gets hit by a blow powerful enough to smash concrete, his skull is going to cave in just like anyone else's.

Sloth was bullet-proof and explosive-proof, and now he can be severely injured by bullets, pointy rocks and by metal gauntlets (and remember, Armstrong has no power over destroying flesh using alchemy).]

Hah. Are you telling me there was not a single loyal State Alchemist of any note in Central? That Scar killed every alchemist in the most important city of the nation, and that none took their places?

Exactly. You only need one to completely wipe out Briggs' forces, so that must mean there isn't a single loyal State Alchemist in the entire city. Thankyou for making my job so much easier.

Now, if you are going to keep on writing drivel, then consider this your first and only reply from me.

Also KPK

spoiler[yes Envy saw Riza in episode 53. He even smirked when he saw her. And why would Envy change into Roy. Wow you obviously missed the part when Envy turned into Gracia when he killed Hughes. Envy likes to torture people like that. Having her killed by someone that looks like Roy is right up Envy's alley. And not to mention Riza is not some helpless weakling.

Also Envy's hatred and jealousy of humans was foreshadowed throughout the series. He is "Envy" after all. Unlike a lot of people I never felt Envy was that strong, but he had an ability (taking the appearance of someone else) that allowed him to manipulate and trick his enemies. But the fact that he had to change his appearance to trick was always a weakness to me]

Because he is superior, he looks down on humans. If I had his sort of powers I too would put down humans, torture them, kill them, insult their mothers. Because that's what superior people do.

And about how is it that the good guys are ALWAYS one step ahead of the bad guys plan
All of.. just really bugs me

The six-part serial Homunculus (1916-1917) was one of the most acclaimed productions of the war years, but only a confusing print of the fourth part and a fragment of the fifth survives. The Danish star Olaf Fonss played the title role as "the man without soul," an artificial human created by science. Homunculus is brought up thinking that he is a normal man, but finds himself unable to feel love, because he was created without love. When he discovers the truth, he vows to avenge himself. He wanders the Earth, haunted by his inability to feel the passionate emotions of the humans around him. He becomes embittered and malevolent; he invents a chemical destructive enough to set the whole world on fire, but decides that is too crude a way of avenging himself upon humanity. Instead, he uses his superhuman gifts to rise to a great political power, which he deliberately uses to sow discord between the people and their rulers. The world descends into chaos and strife. Finally, the scientist who made Homunculus makes a new, identical being. The two homunculi meet in a titanic struggle; the old one triumphs, but is then destroyed by a thunderbolt from heaven.

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spoiler[WTF?! God?!?!?!?!

I thought there is no God, despite what the Truth said to Ed in episode 2.
So now Arakawa say that there actually IS one?
I'm confused ]