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sheentaku
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:57 pm
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Interesting to note that he will not be registered as a sex offender.
I wonder what would have happened if he never pleaded guilty
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kefkaownsall
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:59 pm
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sheentaku wrote: | Interesting to note that he will not be registered as a sex offender.
I wonder what would have happened if he never pleaded guilty |
Then he would probalby be a sex offender legally. Most lawyers recommend pleading guilty.
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egoist
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:00 pm
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kefkaownsall wrote: | Most lawyers recommend pleading guilty. |
Perhaps you meant "weak lawyers". A good lawyer should be able to get you out of this, but it's quite obvious that he couldn't afford such a thing.
Good to see that he got out of this with a light sentence.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:01 pm
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Six months for drawings. Drawings.
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yellow ledbetter
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:01 pm
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They consider Romeo And Juliet to be obscene? What's going on in this country?
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kefkaownsall
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:03 pm
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penguintruth wrote: | Six months for drawings. Drawings. |
Hey at least it isn't Australia.
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sheentaku
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:04 pm
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Upstanding citizen with no prior arrests and a steady job for 12 years has his life ruined forever because of drawings. Pretty amazing.
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Daemonblue
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:08 pm
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And this is why I'll never have faith in our legal system. There are just too many cases to count where someone who was doing something that harmed no one go to prison while the real criminals are let free on the streets, not to mention California with its "3 Strikes" thing where you can get a life sentence (20 or so years there, where I live life means life) just for shop lifting. QI actually brought that little bit up in a recent episode, as well as how we have most of the world's prison population as well as other things, but I digress.
The point I'm trying to get at is the law has moved from something to protect the citizens to something that protects corporate interests and profit margins, as the only reason for pushing harsher sentences for victimless crimes is for prison labor, which is a rather lucrative business. I could go on and on about how overall this case was just horrible from start to finish and is about protecting someone else's values at the cost of one person's future, but this really isn't the place for long debates about the ethics of our "justice" system.
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hissatsu01
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:10 pm
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I wouldn't consider this getting off very lightly. Aside from the 6 months in prison, there's the 3 years of supervised release, 5 years of probation, and his career is destroyed. All because of a handful of books with obscene drawings. Just great. There's something obscene about this, and it isn't the drawings.
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configspace
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:11 pm
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kefkaownsall wrote: |
sheentaku wrote: | Interesting to note that he will not be registered as a sex offender.
I wonder what would have happened if he never pleaded guilty |
Then he would probalby be a sex offender legally. Most lawyers recommend pleading guilty. |
Interesting how such laws are even ethical in the first place i.e. a sexual offender with non-existent victim. I suppose it makes sense in the minds of social conservatives/morality zealots
But his life is still ruined. Now he'll have a criminal record, and have to undergo brainwashing by the state:
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Handley must also "participate in a treatment program, to include psychological testing and a polygraph examination, as directed by the U. S. Probation Officer." According to earlier court documents, this last provision is "intended to provide [Handley] with diagnosis and treatment for sexually and/or gender identity or other mental health issues."
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The polygraph tests will ensure that he will genuinely be converted into a "normal" person, with views acceptable by his neighbors and the state.
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abunai
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:14 pm
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yellow ledbetter wrote: | They consider Romeo And Juliet to be obscene? What's going on in this country? |
You've misunderstood the text. It clearly states that Romeo and Juliet is a work of artistic merit -- and therefore implicitly not viewed as obscene under existing legal interpretation.
- abunai
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:16 pm
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How wonderful that the stuff that was seized can easily be downloaded on the internet, without having a USPS worker to deal with.
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TatsuGero23
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:17 pm
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Makes me wonder what will happen if a guro fan gets caught. Psycho killer!?!?!? *sigh...
Good he got a light sentence though. And really its hard to say if even a good lawyer would be able to get him out. Issues on CP or CP like things are very touchy and volatile in the US. The odds would really be against you even if you perfectly explain and detail the differences and everything because of general opinions of the matter. Fictional or none.
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yellow ledbetter
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:19 pm
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abunai wrote: |
yellow ledbetter wrote: | They consider Romeo And Juliet to be obscene? What's going on in this country? |
You've misunderstood the text. It clearly states that Romeo and Juliet is a work of artistic merit -- and therefore implicitly not viewed as obscene under existing legal interpretation.
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Sorry I should have said it would otherwise be considered obscene if it wasn't judged as culturally valuable. Who makes these judgments? Some people think Romeo and Juliet is trash.
It just seems like the thought police are getting closer and closer to smashing in our doors and dragging us into the streets so they can burn all of our books.
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hitokiriizo
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:19 pm
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uh correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure i've seen Doll Labyrinth
sold here in the us or amazon (can't remember where exactly)
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