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GRD84



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:29 pm Reply with quote
Let's just say there's a new anime show coming up (Well, it won't come) But, if you see a new anime show, featuring furry characters, including the main one. Will you watch a show like that?

Unless, if it's more of a teenage rating 13 and up. And the story is an little mature, and have really good shocking scenes, and some violences. Like if there's a new Sonic the Hedgehog or some other furry tv anime show, featuring some mature stories, will you guys watch that?

The reason I've said something like that, because there's alot of anime fans dislike furry characters, and no matter how some of the furry series have some really good mature stories, they won't watch something furry or Sonic-like, unless if they are human characters, like everybody watch.

Just saying y'all. But, I could be wrong.
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Penguin_Factory



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:51 pm Reply with quote
GRD84 wrote:
Let's just say there's a new anime show coming up (Well, it won't come) But, if you see a new anime show, featuring furry characters, including the main one. Will you watch a show like that?


That would depend on how the character looks.

I'm a big stickler for character design- unappealing character designs will turn me off a show faster than anything else (I realise this is horribly shallow and I've delayed watching good stuff because of it before, so I'm trying to change my views).

In the case of furry I've come to associate certain types of furry character designs with certain levels of stortelling and quality- nine times out of ten, if a webcomic or whatever has character designs that put me in mind of shallow fanservice, that's probably what the story will contain. But if an anime had character designs more akin to something like Lackadaisy Cats, I'll be more willing to give it a chance.

A related issue is how well the furry character is integrated. If every other character is human and there's one cat girl running around for no goddamn reason, that will put me off right away.
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Mister V



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:35 pm Reply with quote
So it's just a question about how prejudiced people are to furry fandom?

Personally, I can't say I care. People have different tastes.

I haven't seen any mature anime with furry characters though (I'm not a veteran fan).
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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:46 pm Reply with quote
GRD84 wrote:
Will you watch a show like that?

Holo won't let me. She gets upset when I try to watch other series featuring "furry" girls, like UFO Valkyrie or Outlaw Star.

Though, I have watched them before she came along.

And you don't want to piss off Holo. She'll bite you, man.

On a more serious note, this thread sort of sucks. Not to be rude, but I don't get the position over it. Are you trying to discuss whether or not these characters should or shouldn't be "furry"?

It's a cartoon. I'm used to talking dogs, rabbits, ducks, cats, mice, chickens, birds, and other various animals.

Surely one who's part human and animal isn't going to make one bit of difference in terms of watching it.

Thufferin' Thuccotash.
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TatsuGero23



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:04 pm Reply with quote
Penguin_Factory wrote:

A related issue is how well the furry character is integrated. If every other character is human and there's one cat girl running around for no goddamn reason, that will put me off right away.


Yeah I see that as a more important factor on whether people will enjoy a series like that. GRD84 question most likely pertains more toward the more mature or action genre since younger kids will be more accepting of the idea anyways for younger kid shows. And GRD84, if your into that stuff, don't be afraid and dance around it. Be honest with yourself, take a stance and just give us your thoughts on the issue. And you other guys, he can have an opinion you know and certain taste. No need to be rude about it.

The best answer to the question is "Depends on how good it is." It'll have to overcome a bit of bias that comes with the furry themes because usually people often link it to its 18+ material; (usually what otakus think about.) and/or its subculture of people dressing up as animals; (usually what the general public thinks of.) and then both groups thinking; aww that's kids stuff and "Why do they have to be animals in the first place?". But if the story, plot, character design and development are good and the core concept of the series are well done then people will watch it and maybe like it because of or despite it's choice of character design. And not just those who are furry fans.

Having anamorphic characters isn't new really to anime. But whether an older audience will like or at least accept a series with them depends on 2 conflicting criticisms that need to work in balance: The purpose for the design and what lays beyond the design; meaning the character themselves.

Alot of times the fact the characters are furries or animals doesn't seem to serve any kind of purpose outside of character design with most furry content. Both normal or 18+ rated. What's the point of the characters if they themselves ignore what they really are? But while their animal parts need to work along with defining who they are, it can't be the only thing about the character's personality since it makes things a bit boring and predictable. "Oh a bunny girl. Cute, quiet, gentle. Oh, dog man. Probably loyal but can get angry." But really that's an issue all series deal with in terms of character design. It's just more so in anamorphic characters.

That balancing and reasoning is probably what's needed for people to like a furry based series. Otherwise the most furry your gonna get is what we already have now in anime; a mix which seems to be fine with most people anyways. Or to paraphrase it all: The furry theme is something to focus on, but should not be the focal point. And in the end, a good story and well made product will speak for itself.

On a random note, the only series with animal people I can think of are Digimon, Escaflowne, Guin Saga, and Tenchi Muyo. None of them all animal cast. Oh, and Dragonball for a while huh?
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Paploo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:13 pm Reply with quote
Sounds to me like someone missed the dvd release of K.O. Beast from RightStuff. And Outlanders the OVA [anniversary ed. from CPM for the win!]. And Hyper Police from Image Entertainment. All three of which were pretty welcome, overall, if not chart burners. I'm probably missing other r1 releases somewhere in there.
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eyeresist



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:16 pm Reply with quote
I guess technically Wolf's Rain was a furry show? Oh dear.

I don't think I'd mind animal characters, if the show itself was good. I think I prefer human characters in costume, e.g. Sousuke in the Bonta-kun suit in Full Metal Panic Fumoffu, or spoiler[Saki having to wear cat ears] in Genshiken. Or Chiyo-chan in the penguin suit in Azumanga Daioh.
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quikbeam1



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:58 pm Reply with quote
i dont really care one way or another for furry characters. I care more about the storyline and animation more than anything. If the first few episodes intrigue me ill probably keep watching the show. However, if the focal point of the show is the character being a furry character and the show lacks substance i will probably stop watching it. Not because the show has furry characters but because the show just wouldn't interest me.
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DuelLadyS



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:06 am Reply with quote
GRD84 wrote:
Like if there's a new Sonic the Hedgehog or some other furry tv anime show, featuring some mature stories, will you guys watch that?


Hell yes- I love Sonic!

OK, fan-gushing aside... the whole anti-furry thing, that's just geeks looking for geeks that are geekier than they are, just to not feel like the biggest dorks on the planet. It's a commonplace and entirely subjective geek activity- I guarantee you somewhere out there is a group of furry fanatics saying that 'at least they don't watch that DBZ crap'.

If the story's good, I don't mind if part/most/all of my cast is anthramorphic. Actually, I would imagine anime fans would be more accepting of such compared to say, star trek fans. We have cat girls, we have Johji Manabe's works... it's not like you don't see it in anime, it's just not commonplace.
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DuskyPredator



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:44 am Reply with quote
Would shows like Kanokon count with animal ears/tails or Spice and wolf or Inukami where the love interests are actualy animals (of magical nature) or even TTGL, even though the beast men are usualy pretty freaky. Because those are some farely popular series. It is quite common to have a non-human in magical girl harem anime. And I would also like to mention some embarasing costumes for Saito in Zero no Tsukaima and Joey in YUGIOH! aswell as a scene in K-ON! when they try and get new members.

I also heard a while back with a video, that something that might fit your description an anime being made called Appocolypse Meow or Cat Shit One.
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GRD84



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:02 pm Reply with quote
Well, let me respond most of the people's quote.

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Yeah I see that as a more important factor on whether people will enjoy a series like that. GRD84 question most likely pertains more toward the more mature or action genre since younger kids will be more accepting of the idea anyways for younger kid shows. And GRD84, if your into that stuff, don't be afraid and dance around it. Be honest with yourself, take a stance and just give us your thoughts on the issue. And you other guys, he can have an opinion you know and certain taste. No need to be rude about it.


I agree. But, I don't mind if some people are being rude about it. Besides, this is the message borad, some people act rude all the time. And, I always dream of producing a anamorphic / furry series based on the... Well, I think some of you might laugh. But, here it goes... Sonic the Hedgehog. Well, based on the characters from Archie Comics and SatAM.

And I was hoping to make it as a tv anime show for teenager ages 13 and up, not some stupid kiddy stories. And, I also hope to make a story so good, and the art, character design, and animation will be just like the work style of Fullmetal Alchemist. As for the story, hope to make it good and better dramatic scenes then the Sonic SatAM series. It'll have some comedy, action / adventure, and some thriller, too. And the series will be alot different, and don't think the same Sonic series will be like the stupid new Sonic video games going on today, or Sonic X!, or the ova series. My story will might be sort of the influences of Hunter X Hunter, Fullmetal Alchemist, Mushi-shi, Inuyasha, and Sonic satAM (Check out this web site and find out about it: satamsonic.com).

But, believe me guys, I think it would come true. Because, Sega of America and Sega of Japan would not buy this idea, and they'd always want to make it more of a video game and have... like always: kiddy stories. And besides, I don't work for Sega. I hope I wasn't too far on this. I mean, we all have dreams, but, I think my dream won't come true. Believe me, it won't.

And if the series will come true like that, will you guys watch it? Unless if it got really good powerful stories, and don't mind what the charcter design look like. I wish I should've post this on the first topic. Just saying y'all.
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John Casey



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:07 pm Reply with quote
deviantArt killed any and all dignity that furry art had, and ever will.

Ears, tails, and feet...pad...things don't count as "furry."
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Eruanna



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:59 pm Reply with quote
I actually really really really WANT an all-furries show.
Not a kiddy cartoony show like sonic, but a regular show that happens to feature furries. Hmn...and thats not really refering to the age range but to the animation style...sonic is a very simplistic cartoony style with unrealistic perportions, NOT the sort of artwork you see in (good) furry art. The ONLY example I can even think of of what Id like to see is Disneys Robin Hood, it was animated the same was as all the other Disney movies, with the same style, but with furries instead.

I want an anime like that.
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LordRedhand



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:15 pm Reply with quote
I think ahem "furry" is something that occurs frequently in Western/American animation than in anime.

(Example. Robin Hood, The Rescuers 1 and 2, Fivel: An American Tail, The Secret of Nymh. Even further with televised animation, like Looney Tunes and Let There Be Peace on Earth. Or more recent works like the Redwall series or the latest graphic novel series Mousegaurd http://www.mouseguard.net/ )

I don't know if we'll see a kind of "bleed over" with our cultures getting closer as to whether we'll see more animal-centric works. Ironically anime right now is still striving to get past it's cartoon roots and get more into realism. I'd say they've slid back from 2006ish.
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Eruanna



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:26 pm Reply with quote
LordRedhand wrote:


(Example. Robin Hood, The Rescuers 1 and 2, Fivel: An American Tail, The Secret of Nymh. Even further with televised animation, like Looney Tunes and Let There Be Peace on Earth. Or more recent works like the Redwall series or the latest graphic novel series Mousegaurd http://www.mouseguard.net/ )


I dont really know that I would count the ones I bolded as furry.....maybe Im nitpicking silly details, but, those are shows about animals. Not shows about animal-people. Rescuers, Fivel, and Secret of Nymh all portray life from the perspective of animals, humans are included in the background as "those big people".

Wheras in the example of Robin Hood, its portraying a world only inhabited by humanoid animals-people. These are not animals, they are humanoid creatures..halfbreeds. Their universe is one where humans dont exist.
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