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Daemonblue
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:51 pm
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Shay Guy wrote: |
Actually, I read that the Illusionary World segments of CLANNAD were all-CGI, including the girl, but I've never seen a source for that claim. |
They are all CG and that was what I was gonna point out as "good" CG For me it tends to stick out like a sore thumb no matter how good it really is, but stuff that melds well doesn't bother me as much as, say, Rideback or some of the scenes in True Tears (mostly the festival and whatnot where everyone was CG) and for the former the abundance of CG turned me off of the show within the first 7 minutes.
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Mysticmidnightmaiden
Joined: 14 Dec 2005
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Location: California (Bay Area)
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:48 pm
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I'm surprised that no one's mentioned the 10th Anniversary YuGiOh movie that's playing in Japan right now. It's a 3D anime movie. I haven't personally seen it, but I've heard people say they thought the 3D effects were well done.
... Then again, I shouldn't be surprised that no one keeps up with the YGO fandom anymore. (I still want the DVD ASAP, though...)
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Youkai Warrior
Joined: 07 Aug 2008
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Location: Sarayashiki
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:38 pm
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Quote: | Omg... Youkai Warrior your the first question aren't you?! You said the same thing in the Yen Press Twilight thread. See, niche is nice and all but you can only go so far with it.
Really, otakus need to learn to be okay with liking something that's mainstream if it ever reaches it. For some reason Otakus become equally ashamed at liking what alot of other people like, as regular people would for liking cartoons or anime once your age reaches double digits. Naruto? Gah, freakin narutards (sarcasm). Bleach and Dragonball Z? Weebos and shonen dummies (sarcasm). Halo and Twilight? retards (sarcasm). Honestly, what is wrong with liking what you like and having other people liking it too? No need to be so self conscience or defensive or a need to negatively respond to something because someone made fun of you for liking in the past. It's okay when your 12 but come on now. |
Are you following me? (joking). You misunderstand me. I was never made fun of for liking anime, nor am I self conscience about it. I understand that anime fans are tired of being thought of as narutards, weeaboos, and shonen dummies, which may be why some want anime to be mainstream. And I don't recall being really negative about it. I recall saying that as long as you like it, isn't that what matters? Does everyone have to share in that? No. Just because no one else likes it, doesn't mean you shouldn't. If you like something that no one likes, or everyone likes, you can too.
I am free to express an opinion, and my opinion is I like anime being niche. You're right, there is nothing wrong with having people like what you like, but you can't expect everyone to like what you like. I learned that along time ago when I was 12. I had some friends that didn't like the same things I did, but guess what? We got along just fine and found other common grounds. Just because everyone likes the same thing, doesn't mean you're going to get along with them. Anime being mainstream doesn't mean everyone will be united. Plus, I really see nothing wrong with anime being niche. Maybe you do, but I don't. You want anime to be mainstream, fine. I'm entitled to my own opinion, don't try to push your ideals onto me.
Besides, did it occur to you that some people do lose interest in anime? Don't believe it? It happens.
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Dark Elf Warrior
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:08 pm
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Quote: | But if 'going mainstream' is a matter of purging Japanese cultural references in order to make anime less Japanese and more 'international' (read: American), and of expecting the makers of anime to conform to American rules of political correctness, then anime going mainstream would be a catastrophe, IMO. The best thing about anime is that it isn't American, it's a completely different and unique form of entertainment--that's what attracted me to it. I was frustrated by the state of both politics and entertainment in the US, and therefore 'moved to another country' in a sense. I can't help feeling that trying to convert anime into another form of American mass media entertainment would only cheapen it. In short, I don't trust the American entertainment industry and fear what might happen if it acquired too much influence over anime.
No doubt the actual meaning of 'going mainstream' is somewhere about halfway between these two extremes... |
It sounds to me like this is what that person is trying to say. Let's face it: anime isn't extremely popular, let alone mainstream. Not everyone likes anime and not everyone will like anime. Like you, I got interested in anime because it was different. I was tired of American stuff so, as you said, "went to another country". If anime were to become mainstream, they just might do this. Anime is Japanese, right? Not everyone is interested in Japanese culture. So, anime could become Amercanized. (It's been done before.) It's not that some people are racist or xenophobic, it's just they're interests lie somewhere else. So to get anime mass media attention, taking out Japanese meanings could be done. Look at some of the anime that aired on Saturday mornings, they were renamed, all Japanese conotations lost, and popular among grade school kids, whereas anime that airs on Adult Swim, is strictly there for the people who are already anime fans, and open to the Japanese culture.
Anime is like Indie films. Indie films are niche too, and appeal to people who like to watch films that weren't huge box office smashes. They don't seem to care, so why should there be complaints because [insert anime here] is not the highest rating anime on TV or whatever?
Quote: | Besides, did it occur to you that some people do lose interest in anime? Don't believe it? It happens. |
It most certainly does happen. My brother used to love anime, and now he doesn't care for it. My friend is starting to lose interest in anime as well.
Quote: | You shouldn't dismiss a fantasy novel outright because of the smelly overweight guy you work with who reads them and goes to the Ren Faire every year; you shouldn't dismiss the new Vampire Weekend CD outright because you hate kids who wear porkpie hats and skinny jeans; et cetera. |
Brian, you would be surprised, there are several out there, who aren't smelly and overweight, who read fantasy novels. And people aren't going to dismiss Vampire Weekend because they're wearing porkpie hats and skinny jeans. If someone dismisses them, it's because they don't like they're music. I'm sorry, but that was a bad comparison to use Vampire Weekend.
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mckg1
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:01 pm
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That was long but insightful. I liked reading this(my first time reading one of his answerman posts) and can't wait for the next answerman post!
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TatsuGero23
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:09 pm
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Youkai Warrior: Whoops sorry man. Wasn't trying to impose on you or anything or offend you. That second paragraph wasn't actually directed at you as it was at the idea of when someone randomly does a 180 once something becomes too popular and at those who fall under that sentiment. Yeah, people lose interest but it gets ridiculous when those who do lose interest somehow find it necessary to take the opposite stance because they did or that being the sole reason as to why they lost interest. Hence the 12 year old remark and again not directed at you but the sentiment in general. And hence a second separate paragraph. And I thought it was just weird to come across the same question with similar wording so I took a shot.
Also its not like I'm unrealistic in my fandom and actually think "Yes these people have seen the light!" I'm just not going to get upset at the few animes that catch the attention of a boarder audience and in turn, hate it because it did or hate something in general because others really like it ala Naruto or Twilight or Harry Potter or... those... hoodie things they sell in infomercials that make you look like colorful KKK members. Well I don't care about Twilight... or those hoodie things... although they do look warm... and convenient.
Really when I think mainstream, I think more on the level that it is ingrained into the culture like the level video games are now. 5 - 10 years ago? Videos were still for fat nerds with no lives living in their mothers basement at the age of 35 yrs + or the hardcore football fans that everyone else feels uncomfortable around because they trying too hard to show others they are heterosexuals and likes football. Now a days? Way bigger market, audience and just general level of acceptance. And they still carter to their niche audiences while still being mainstream with their other games. Some of them compromise themselves and try to appeal to wider audience with games that should have never been made like most 3rd party Wii games. Others stick to their roots that got the industry there in the first place like most triple A titles that don't have Guitar Hero or Rock Band slapped on it.
By reaching a level of integration and mainstream, there's gonna be someone else to come in and replace those who have lost interest or when the hype for the current "it" title dies down. But even then after the hype, your bound to have gotten quite a few keepers from it all or at least those more aware to look at that genre again for something they might like. There's nothing wrong with niche, but we as fans have seen the life and death of companies who cater to a niche audience because that's all they catered to and they had no mainstream titles to keep them alive when the "bubble popped" and they finally had to pay the bills. Well that and bad business deals or mother companies neutering you. By reaching mainstream, we, the more hardcore fans and niche audience, don't have to worry as much about the companies who bring us what we love; dying because they weren't able to find their one mainstream title or their next big thing.
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hack_benjamin22
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:15 pm
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Would it be acceptable to submit a picture of our crazy, wacky anime merchandise with our write-up for this weeks question?
Because while I can wax poetic about my stuff it would really benefit from a picture. And I love to look at others pictures too!
So, yes/no?
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Dark Elf Warrior
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:29 pm
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hack_benjamin22 wrote: | Would it be acceptable to submit a picture of our crazy, wacky anime merchandise with our write-up for this weeks question?
Because while I can wax poetic about my stuff it would really benefit from a picture. And I love to look at others pictures too!
So, yes/no? |
What are you talking about?
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Farix
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:36 pm
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Oh god, I can't believe that you even responded him. "Flake" is a gross understatement of the rants we have to put up with in RAAM. Of course, in his delusional world, the industry should have completely collapsed two years ago. Japanese studio weren't asking for enough money from US companies. Geneon, CPM, and Bandai Visual all when under solely because of fansubs. ADV was a complete fraud of a company. And the FBI should be shutting down all anime cons over child pornography and bootlegs.
Of course, that is only the tip of the iceberg. O_o
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hack_benjamin22
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:38 pm
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Quote: | hack_benjamin22 wrote:
Would it be acceptable to submit a picture of our crazy, wacky anime merchandise with our write-up for this weeks question?
Because while I can wax poetic about my stuff it would really benefit from a picture. And I love to look at others pictures too!
So, yes/no? |
What are you talking about? |
The 'Hey Answerfans'question is asking about our goofiest piece of anime merchandise and I was wondering if I could submit a picture along with my response.
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Youkai Warrior
Joined: 07 Aug 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:45 pm
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TatsuGero23 wrote: | Youkai Warrior: Whoops sorry man. Wasn't trying to impose on you or anything or offend you. That second paragraph wasn't actually directed at you as it was at the idea of when someone randomly does a 180 once something becomes too popular and at those who fall under that sentiment. Yeah, people lose interest but it gets ridiculous when those who do lose interest somehow find it necessary to take the opposite stance because they did or that being the sole reason as to why they lost interest. Hence the 12 year old remark and again not directed at you but the sentiment in general. And hence a second separate paragraph. And I thought it was just weird to come across the same question with similar wording so I took a shot.
Also its not like I'm unrealistic in my fandom and actually think "Yes these people have seen the light!" I'm just not going to get upset at the few animes that catch the attention of a boarder audience and in turn, hate it because it did or hate something in general because others really like it ala Naruto or Twilight or Harry Potter or... those... hoodie things they sell in infomercials that make you look like colorful KKK members. Well I don't care about Twilight... or those hoodie things... although they do look warm... and convenient.
Really when I think mainstream, I think more on the level that it is ingrained into the culture like the level video games are now. 5 - 10 years ago? Videos were still for fat nerds with no lives living in their mothers basement at the age of 35 yrs + or the hardcore football fans that everyone else feels uncomfortable around because they trying too hard to show others they are heterosexuals and likes football. Now a days? Way bigger market, audience and just general level of acceptance. And they still carter to their niche audiences while still being mainstream with their other games. Some of them compromise themselves and try to appeal to wider audience with games that should have never been made like most 3rd party Wii games. Others stick to their roots that got the industry there in the first place like most triple A titles that don't have Guitar Hero or Rock Band slapped on it.
By reaching a level of integration and mainstream, there's gonna be someone else to come in and replace those who have lost interest or when the hype for the current "it" title dies down. But even then after the hype, your bound to have gotten quite a few keepers from it all or at least those more aware to look at that genre again for something they might like. There's nothing wrong with niche, but we as fans have seen the life and death of companies who cater to a niche audience because that's all they catered to and they had no mainstream titles to keep them alive when the "bubble popped" and they finally had to pay the bills. Well that and bad business deals or mother companies neutering you. By reaching mainstream, we, the more hardcore fans and niche audience, don't have to worry as much about the companies who bring us what we love; dying because they weren't able to find their one mainstream title or their next big thing. |
It's all right. I guess I took that personally, and didn't realize your explanation was explaining things in general, and not really directed at me. It is silly to stop liking something because it got popular, as you just now explained. Just because something got popular, doesn't mean one should stop liking it. However, I think some people do, because they feel left out. I should have tried to explain that sometimes when something gets popular, it can be a double-edged sword. But I can understand why one would want just some anime accepted because it takes away the image of someone being socially inept (as a nicer way of putting it).
I wouldn't want all anime to be mainstream, but a few titles, a few wouldn't be so bad. After your explanation on videogames, you made a point on that. Videogames at one time were considered for people with no lives. While there are some games that are popular, there are others that are niche.
But as I said, why I'm comfortable with anime as a niche, it's more because, I don't have to feel left out of it. Since it's niche, I'm the only one I know who likes it, and I guess I'm fine with it. It's not just anime that I don't mind being niche, I also like the animated series The Venture Bros. and as far as I know, that isn't popular and I'm fine with it. I do like some mainstream stuff like Harry Potter.
Anyway, I should not have gotten offended. Your second explanation made more sense and explained more.
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Dark Elf Warrior
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:48 pm
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hack_benjamin22 wrote: |
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Quote: | hack_benjamin22 wrote:
Would it be acceptable to submit a picture of our crazy, wacky anime merchandise with our write-up for this weeks question?
Because while I can wax poetic about my stuff it would really benefit from a picture. And I love to look at others pictures too!
So, yes/no? |
What are you talking about? |
The 'Hey Answerfans'question is asking about our goofiest piece of anime merchandise and I was wondering if I could submit a picture along with my response. |
Oh my gosh, I so was not paying attention. I didn't even read the Hey Answerfans. I'm gonna go read the question right now.
Can someone tell me what the Flake of the Week was talking about? They made no sense.
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pparker
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:23 am
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Stretch24 wrote: | ...if 'going mainstream' is a matter of purging Japanese cultural references in order to make anime less Japanese and more 'international' (read: American), and of expecting the makers of anime to conform to American rules of political correctness, then anime going mainstream would be a catastrophe, IMO. The best thing about anime is that it isn't American... |
Second this. It's not a big deal if some anime are popular, and is a plus as in shonen shows that pay the bills for R1 companies. Seems to be the only formula for survival now. But if you take the Japanese out of all anime and Americanize it, I think you risk alienating a lot of the current fandom and market. Certainly me. I, too, happened onto anime after losing all interest in Western entertainment.
I'm old. I saw Easy Rider in its first theater run. Eventually I felt like I had seen pretty much every story the West could tell because they necessarily rely on Western tropes, traditions, morality, symbolism, etc, to connect with the general audience, just as anime relies on Japanese culture and history to connect with the Japanese audience.
Another important thing to keep in mind however, is that anime, while a large market relatively in Japan, isn't huge even there in comparison to live action. It doesn't clog the TV schedules or the movie theaters, though it's of course a much larger percentage of entertainment than animation is in the U.S. The buying public for anime in Japan is still somewhat niche. The bottom line in terms of anime going mainstream is not whether or not it can appeal to people story-wise, but the simple fact that it is animation. The vast majority of humans want to watch live action entertainment. If that weren't so, then animation would have become more popular across the world through the decades as film entertainment developed. People would have demanded entertainment in animated form and someone would have supplied it.
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marzipan.dragon
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:25 am
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LKK wrote: | There are many reasons an anime fan might want anime to be more mainstream. This anime fan wishes anime was more mainstream in R1 because that might lead to more anime being legally available in R1. |
Yep.
I think Murakami's story "the Elephant Vanishes" could be a bittersweet beautiful short animated film. "Kafka on the Shore" has potential with a very adept screenwriter, I guess.
Nice curmudgeonly flake this week.
LOL: "segway"
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chocobolily
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:40 am
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I bet Murakami's "After Dark" would make a good movie. I could see "Sputnik Sweetheart" working, too. Even though Hardboiled Wonderland and Haibane Renmei share so many similarities, I have a feeling an actual adaptation of the book might be difficult. Also, wouldn't it be annoying to work with nameless characters? X3
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