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CCSYueh
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On the 1/7/10 Daily Show Maggie Gyllenhaal discussed watching Pippi Longstockings dubbed into Japanese on You Tube which prompted John Stewart to mention seeing the recent AstroBoy film with his son.
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GATSU
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CCS: I'm surprised Gyllenhaal does the youtube thing at all, to be honest. Saw her hosting a Crazy Heart screening, and she seemed a tad old-fashioned. Like she dresses trendy, but she doesn't seem like someone you'd think of as cutting-edge.
Anyway, all the haters need to cut that fan-girl some slack. You don't have to like her performance, but it took some real courage to risk that kind of embarassment on national tv. |
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darksharingan
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I don't care what it means in Japanese because I'm speaking English here and the word was taken to mean something else, a die hard anime fan. Why is that something to be embarrassed about? There's no reason, it's the same as being a a fan of anything else, sure it can get extreme on some fans like the weaboos, but so does every other fandom!! It doesn't necessarily mean 'lonely' or 'socially dysfunctional', I mean some female rap fans go as far as to stalk celebrities like that girl on Dr. Phil who kept stalking Jay-Z and hated Beyonce and was going as far as to trying to end their relationship....that is extreme, and the fact is that this happens a lot, it's BS to stereotype anime fans as ALL BEING weirdos when other fanbases have weirdos too.
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Iritscen
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Hmm, another fine week of being represented in the media as freaks and losers. Reminds me of why I never bring up manga or animé with anybody.
I hate to be the one to ask this, but was Mere's singing really that bad? Maybe she attacked her song too hard, but she seemed to have some talent. I dunno, I'm not any kind of expert on singing. |
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Primus
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She was bad. But her basically yelling the song out didn't help either. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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I'm getting two boxes from Hulu telling me I'm in the wrong country, but the NBC link just gives me the highly instructive error "null", accompanied by an OK button.
The 30 Rock thing sounds more cringe worthy than anything from the description. |
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Mohawk52
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(tisk) Anime was so much more than this, even moe has lost its true meaning. I couldn't see much of that pillow, but I so hope it wasn't like an underaged girl. Ah well, back into the closet again.
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Gilles Poitras
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Actually it also means that in Japan. Otaku is one of those complex words with several interrelated definitions. The best definition I ever heard was from Toshio Okada, that you are not an otaku unless your fandom effects your life. Sure has mine. |
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ninjapet
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yes but calling your self a otaku could also mean your a shut in with no friends and all you do is watch anime and read manga.
Thats basically how every one I know uses the word, it's why I stopped using it a while ago, and just went to saying anime fan, or something else. Then again every one is different with how they is the word. |
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maichips
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I don't think the American Idol otaku-girl is going to have a very heavy impact on America's opinion of anime fandom. Every weirdo that auditions for American Idol is featured for our brief entertainment, and then most of them are forgotten. Although we, as anime fans, will remember her since her appearance actually meant something to us, the non-anime fans out there will think nothing of her. She's just another nobody who was on TV for less than five minutes.
I really don't think you guys need to worry about heading "back into the closet." 
As for James Franco, I thought he and "Kimiko-tan" were hilarious! 
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InuNaruPokeAlchemist
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I agree with you DarkSharingan. Your post literaly says it all. |
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BunnyCupCakes
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You know, if all of you go into hiding about liking anime/manga because of this, who's gonna prove that we're not all crazy?
There will always be stereotypes, whether on race, how we dress, what hobbies we like...etc. I didn't think the otaku girl was that bad. I just think she came in TOO strong. She has some potential, but she just needs moar training to tame that voice of hers. |
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NERVchild
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*breaks out the old man's dictionary* Otaku was used by Japanese for the extreme fans of anything, be it trains, computers, or porn. Some silly Americans took the work to mean anime fan, and it stuck, much like trekkie refers to fans of Star Trek (technically to fans of the anything post-TOS, but that's another story). One article I read that modern usage in Japan is to use the word 'mania' to refer to big fans of something without becoming extreme. So someone who plays paintball every weekend would be a paintball mania. The shut-in you describe is hikkomori, an expanding subgroup in Japan. Many of them are also anime fans, but not always. For more on hikkomori, I suggest NHK ni Yōkoso! (Welcome to the N.H.K. It's been awhile since I've had to argue over the meaning of otaku. Let's not get into the meaning of yaoi. As for the news, the pillow guy slays me. |
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LiuXuande
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Agreed. She deserves a slap, or a few hundred. She should be proud of being the blatant image of Americanized "otaku" (misuse of the word) that most of us shudder to have anything in common with. This image is somehow appropriate: 
Not to mention, there is no arguing over the use of the word "otaku". Regardless of whatever horrible American misinterpretation there was to make it mean "anime fan", that's like changing the meaning of f-word to mean "a pleasant, romantic encounter" in another country...I'm sure such a place exists lol. The connotation of otaku is generally someone who most members of the opposite gender would want absolutely nothing to do with (I guess it fits with her case). マニア （Mania) is more toned down, but ファン (fan) is much more appropriate. Specific followings such as seiyuu fans come up with names for themselves, such as senshi, etc. If you've ever seen Lucky Star, as Konata implies, the difference is "ai". Fans in Japan, as many of you know, span a whole range of levels, but even ones that breath Akiba culture in their non-work/school lives (excluding NEET and unemployed who can't afford to be anime fans anyway) would be disgusted or appaled if you called them otaku. Not to mention, the term has been butchered to all heck, since it carried the meaning of an honorific version of "I", or as a poster said, Japan (collective)... just like certain other English language words I won't list for controversy's sake. |
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Logan Essex
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Sort of like how everyone is focusing on Franco's love for his pillow, and no one is pointing out the implication that celebrities will fake relationships in order to disprove true stories about them in tabloids.
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