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WarpWarrior



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:04 pm Reply with quote
Hello everyone, new member here, hoping that someone helps me find what I'm looking for.

It's been a while since I watched Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. And the character I like the most was Simon, the main character, but mostly when he was young. He shows strength beneath that coat of uncertainty and even though he can't admit to himself, he knows what he wants. That's why he gets out of the hole, after all. And that's why he enters that state of depression/emotional indifference in the second part of the series. And I just love it, because I'm pretty much like that (I believe).

And I never saw anything like that again.

In most animes, the characters go on adventures and through troubles and at some point or another, the world always seems to be fighting against them at its fullest. That point was when Simon sunk into depression, but in all other animes, the characters just persevere and go on and try harder. Why don't they simply give up like Simon did?

So maybe some of their friends can help them or something like that... Is there anything like that?

Thanks for the help (and here's hoping you don't spoil much, if at all).
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egoist



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:21 pm Reply with quote
WarpWarrior wrote:
That point was when Simon sunk into depression, but in all other animes, the characters just persevere and go on and try harder. Why don't they simply give up like Simon did?

Just look at Shinji from Evangelion, he's been giving up the whole anime. There's probably a lot more cases out there, but it's just hard to dig them out at this hour (it's past 2am here). But I'd say Simon's case wasn't special, it's just that the director focused on the point of him being depressed and that resulted in a marking moment for all of us who watched the anime.
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WarpWarrior



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:25 am Reply with quote
So is it not really "a thing"? Like a genre or something?

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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:17 am Reply with quote
WarpWarrior wrote:
Why don't they simply give up like Simon did?

On a whim, I'd expect that it'd be easier to write a story around a character who perseveres in their endeavours. To see somebody racking up their courage and strength to attempt to overcome their adversaries makes for simple yet effective device in any dramatic medium.
Of course, such a common tactic can still fail, often through lack of originality or plausibility, but the opposite treads a more treacherous path: Observe the notoriety of Evangelion for the behaviour of its protagonist, for example.
Many viewers may simply be repelled by a resigning character, so one takes a smaller risk if one opts for a 'tried and tested' approach when it comes to giving a lead character a backbone.
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WarpWarrior



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:26 am Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
WarpWarrior wrote:
Why don't they simply give up like Simon did?

On a whim, I'd expect that it'd be easier to write a story around a character who perseveres in their endeavours. To see somebody racking up their courage and strength to attempt to overcome their adversaries makes for simple yet effective device in any dramatic medium.

It does, and it's certainly easier to do so. But my small experience in plot and character design tells me it's way more awesome when you put team work and friendship in, as it allows for more character interaction and ultimately more creative freedom to the writer. It's not only that it allows for feelings that aren't explored as much, like pity, compassion, even revenge (in a different way, yes), but it also allows for other stuff like having friends budget in and help you on your way out of the pit, or complete character changes (like turning to "the other side", or something). It's way more dynamic than the old-school concept of willpower = overcoming everything.

Zin5ki wrote:
Many viewers may simply be repelled by a resigning character, so one takes a smaller risk if one opts for a 'tried and tested' approach when it comes to giving a lead character a backbone.

Well, Simon wasn't the main character in the first part of Gurren Lagann, TBH. And yes, this kind of design is dangerous if applied to the main character, that's for sure.
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