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murph76
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Group C-25
Nausicaa, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind vs. Ichigo Kurasaki, Bleach Voting for Nausicca. In my view, a classic heroine. Doesn't back down from a fight, and fights to protect her people and the balance they've acheived with the polluted forest. Group C-26 Kurau Amami, Kurau Phantom Memory vs. Lady Oscar, The Rose of Versailles Voting for Kurau. Certainly shows her heroism in protecting Christmas, and protecting the Rynax and humans from each other. Group C-27 Ai Tanabe, Planetes vs. Monkey D. Luffy, One Piece Voting for Luffy. Haven't seen either title, so basing this on other's comments. Group C-28 Duck/Princess Tutu, Princess Tutu vs. Alice L. Malvin, Pumpkin Scissors Voting for Duck. Selfless, sacrificing, wants what's best for her prince. Easy choice. |
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Gewürtztraminer
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Ai has more than the one glorious moment when she puts it all on the line for an enemy and love interest rival. The point when she punched out the spoiled rich kid instead of Hachimaki, as well as the clip represented here. Her heroicism seems more REAL to me, running out of oxygen while trying to save an enemy, as opposed to a guy made of rubber who apparently does not even have to worry about being struck by rifle fire. I did not expect it to be this close though (in Ai's favor), and thought my vote a pity one. For those that have not seen Planetes, be sure to check it out. |
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nightjuan
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Group C-25
Nausicaa, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind vs. Ichigo Kurasaki, Bleach Nausicaa, while not necessarily the greatest hero I can think of, seems to have a better motivation and disposition to help others than Ichigo, while facing dangers that, although lesser in terms of sheer violence, may well constitute more of a risk to someone in her position. Group C-26 Kurau Amami, Kurau Phantom Memory vs. Lady Oscar, The Rose of Versailles Not too familiar with either contestant, outside of the clips and guide entries, which are certainly good enough for both, as they should be at this stage. Why would I vote for Kurau then? I wouldn't want to say it's only a matter of scope, although that's one factor, but the other arguments for her seem to be convincing enough. Group C-27 Ai Tanabe, Planetes vs. Monkey D. Luffy, One Piece Ironically, Luffy wins in terms of consistently heroic behavior, if that were my rationale this would hardly be an issue, but this time I'd say Gewürtztraminer has a point there about Ai. Besides, is being someone's moral center unheroic? I don't think so. Still, I must admit that I don't think she has much of a chance of going ahead, and from a more cynical perspective that would be a fair reason for not voting for her. Group C-28 Duck/Princess Tutu, Princess Tutu vs. Alice L. Malvin, Pumpkin Scissors Reading the arguments about Duck over the past few pages has convinced me she is truly worthy in terms of kindness and self-sacrifice. The clip doesn't hurt either, but makes me want to see the series at some point in the future. |
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Key
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Round 3 Group C is now closed.
Final results can be found here. Although both C-26 and C-27 were competitive early on, both Kurau and Luffy pulled away from their respective foes towards the end (although Luffy didn't win by a lot), while Nausicaa and Duck win in big blow-outs. At the end of next round I'll post my traditional Power Rankings for those characters who survived to the Sweet 16, but right now it looks like Duck and Kenshin, who have both sailed through all competition to date, will probably be at the top of that list. Next round should be up in a few minutes. And this time I'll actually remember to update the OP. . . |
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Key
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Round 3 Group D is now closed.
I'm thinking lots of blow-outs as I look at these match-ups. Honestly, I'll be surprised if any of these matches are even remotely close. Still, we gotta sort out the last bit of chaff, I guess. Next round will sure be a doozy, though! Group D-25 Ashitaka, Princess Mononoke vs. Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 Winner: Ashitaka Total: 16-6 Group D-26 Mahoro Ando, Mahoromatic franchise vs. Kamina, Gurren Lagann Winner: Kamina Total: 18-4 Group D-27 Simon, Gurren Lagann vs. Honoka, The Third: The Girl With The Blue Eye Winner: Simon Total: 16-6 Group D-28 Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Juna Ariyoshi, Arjuna Winner: Youko Total: 21-1 Last edited by Key on Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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guet
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Group D-25
Ashitaka, Princess Mononoke vs. Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 Voting for: Ashitaka Reason: Kikuchiyo is a strong choice in his own way, but it's hard to top Ashitaka's drive and ability to never give up despite the burden he his cursed with. Group D-26 Mahoro Ando, Mahoromatic franchise vs. Kamina, Gurren Lagann Voting for: Kamina Reason: There are very few characters I think embody what heroism is at the core more than Kamina, heroics are something he was just gifted with, and that makes him a top-tier choice in my opinion. Group D-27 Simon, Gurren Lagann vs. Honoka, The Third: The Girl With The Blue Eye Voting for: Simon Reason: If Kamina is the embodiment of a natural born hero, then Simon is a testament to how heroics can be even more impressive when you have to struggle against your instincts to do what needs to be done. Simon does the impossible, and becomes the hope for humanity. In my mind there isn't another character in anime as deserving as Simon when it comes to winning this whole thing. Group D-28 Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Juna Ariyoshi, Arjuna Voting for: Youko Reason: I admit I'm not sure about this one, I may be open to changing this vote. From what little I've seen between these two, I'll give the slight edge to Youko for now. Last edited by guet on Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:26 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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LydiaDianne
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Group D-25
Ashitaka, Princess Mononoke vs. Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 I'm going to have to go with Ashitaka due to the Guide and previous comments. Group D-26 Mahoro Ando, Mahoromatic franchise vs. Kamina, Gurren Lagann Mahoro, again due to the Guide and previous comments. Group D-27 Simon, Gurren Lagann vs. Honoka, The Third: The Girl With The Blue Eye Honoka sorry, but once again Guide and comments (I need to watch more anime...need more time too!) Group D-28 Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Juna Ariyoshi, Arjuna Youko this time it is most certainly my choice. I just think that Youko is the much better choice here. It really takes a great deal of strength to confront yourself and win. |
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ccdx
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Brackets and Mini-game scores posted at: http://home.comcast.net/~unirizer2/
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marie-antoinette
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Group D-25
Voting for:Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 Reasons: BIG SHOCK, I know. Still actively voting against Ashitaka who I feel to be flat and uninteresting as a character and at least somewhat contrived as a hero. I know most people disagree but most people seem to like the movie for reasons I cannot fathom. Group D-26 Voting for:Kamina, Gurren Lagann Reasons: Mix of the guide but more the fact that both Gurren Lagann characters have gotten quite a lot of arguments for in previous rounds, while I don't recall much for the competition. Group D-27 Voting for:Simon, Gurren Lagann Reasons: Same as the vote for Kamina. Group D-28 Voting for:Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms Reasons: Juna is pretty awesome in her own right but Youko definitely is the one to go with. One of the few match-ups we've had where I've been familiar with both 
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zawa113
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D-25: Kikchiyo
Who knows, maybe I like that gung-ho attitude and the whole "forget me! save yourselves" thing he seems to have going on that I saw in his clip. He also seemed to trust that other guy (teammates?) and I think cooperation is a sign of strength in a character. D-26: Kamina Probably the most inspirational character still in it if you ask me, you can't deny his effect on the entire show. He set the example of pure heroism and he gets bonus points for spoiler[actually dying while protecting others]. D-27: Simon the Driller Sure, he starts off as a wimp with no self confidence, but he ends up saving the entire world, then spoiler[the entire universe] and all even with the end result spoiler[of never being able to be with Nia *sniff*]. I've heard good things about Honoka, don't get me wrong, but unless Simon was up against Duck this round, I'd probably vote for him over anyone else. Oooo, if that comes to be, it'll be a very difficult decision for me. D-28: Youko Nakajima does "her clip impressed me more" count as a reason? I don't know either of these two at all, all I have to go on here is the clips. |
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Ggultra2764
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Match D-25: Ashitaka
Ashitaka had to mend the tensions between human and nature with his heroics, a feat that Kikuchiyo can't seem to match. Match D-26: Kamina Compared to Mahoro, Kamina was fighting for higher stakes and was an inspiration for more people. Match D-27: Simon spoiler[When Kamina meets his shocking demise, Simon is there to pick up the pieces and become the new symbol of courage and hope for Team Gurren.] Match D-28: Youko Nakajima Here we have appear to have two girls overcoming their inner doubts under different circumstances. Youko's development seems to lead her to better things later in her series. |
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Murasakisuishou
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Group D-25
Ashitaka, Princess Mononoke vs. Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 Kikuchiyo. Didn't like Ashitaka at all, and I still don't get exactly what's so heroic about him. Group D-26 Mahoro Ando, Mahoromatic franchise vs. Kamina, Gurren Lagann Gonna go with Kamina, based on the guide and what other voters have said. Group D-27 Simon, Gurren Lagann vs. Honoka, The Third: The Girl With The Blue Eye Simon, based on the guide. Group D-28 Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Juna Ariyoshi, Arjuna Pity vote for Juna - I just love the girl too darn much to vote against her, even though I both accept and embrace Youko's victory. |
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DarkGyraen
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Group D-25
Ashitaka, Princess Mononoke vs. Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 Vote-Ashitaka: This one is pretty easy for me, as Ashitaka embodies true heroism. He’s cursed for protecting his village, kicked out by his people for it, and has to confront the people ultimately responsible. And instead of being angry about all of this, he simply uses what’s happened to him as strength to continue to do the right thing, and saves a ton of lives in the process. You really can’t get much better than Ashitaka. Group D-26 Mahoro Ando, Mahoromatic franchise vs. Kamina, Gurren Lagann Vote-Kamina: I’m not going to explain much about the next two votes, but the simple fact that I’m voting for Kamina, despite my unrivaled hatred for all things Gurren Lagann is a testament to the fact that I think he’s a strong enough competitor. But it also has a lot to do with the fact that I don’t think his competition is that strong this week, so he gets a pass for me this week. Group D-27 Simon, Gurren Lagann vs. Honoka, The Third: The Girl With The Blue Eye Vote-Simon: Again, gets the vote against week competition, despite my general loathing for that show. Group D-28 Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Juna Ariyoshi, Arjuna Vote-Youko: I have to go with Youko here, because I think her situation was just a bit worse overall. Both girls were thrown into a fight they didn’t understand, but Youko has to not only overcome her challenges, but has to mature into a great leader, despite the things that happen to her. She’s got a lot of strength and courage, so I definitely give her my vote this week, although I do feel bad for Juna as well. |
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Key
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Group D-25
Ashitaka, Princess Mononoke vs. Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 What already annoys me about this match is that only one of the three people who have voted for Kikuchiyo so far have done so because they actually find him to be a remarkably worthy hero. The other two seem to be simply exercising a dislike for Ashitaka. (And yes, I know we've had this discussion before, and I know why in one of the two cases. That doesn't mean I'm going to acknowledge it as a good reason, though.) So far the arguments against Ashitaka have been that he's dull, unlikeable, and contrived. I don't "get" the unlikable argument, I guess, as I found him quite likable, and he is certainly not one ounce more contrived than any other hero in this tournament. Indeed, he is a young man of action, one who respects traditions and the gods but does not hesitate for an instant in the face of danger and does not shy from killing if it is necessary to stop a threat. As shown in this clip, he shot down the infected boar god knowing full well that there might be serious consequences and doesn't flinch from confronting them. He maintains this approach throughout the entire movie. And do we really need to make a list of what all he does in the movie that could reasonably be considered heroic to convince those who can't figure out why he's regarded as such? Fine, then. In addition to shooting down the boar god to save his village (and more immediately some village girls) as shown in the clip, he spoiler[shoots down a warrior who is chasing those fleeing from an attack on a village, rescues two men who were knocked off the cliff by Moro's attack on the caravan, carried one of them on his back through a mysterious forest back to the wounded man's home town, rescues San when she is surrounded by the townsfolk and probably imminent to be killed, carries her out of the village despite being shot, rescues her again later on when she's caught up in the other boar god going demoniac, does his best to stop Eboshi from shooting the Spirit of the Forest and bring her word that her people need help back at the town, and when the Spirit loses its head he endeavors to recover and return said head to stop a greater calamity. All throughout he acts as best he can to promote peace between the humans and the forest.] So what about any of that doesn't make him heroic? While I, too, question whether he's worthy to win this bracket or not, it should require more than Kikuchiyo (the clip didn't impress) to knock him off. Group D-26 Mahoro Ando, Mahoromatic franchise vs. Kamina, Gurren Lagann As much as I like Mahoro as a heroine, this is, sadly, a clear-cut case. She matched up well with Roy Mustang last round because she could counter each of his merits and offer a little more. That isn't the case with Kamina. His indomitable spirit and inspirational value are the stuff of classic heroes and two things that Mahoro can't match. (And really, Mahoro has probably already gone one round farther than she should have.) Group D-27 Simon, Gurren Lagann vs. Honoka, The Third: The Girl With The Blue Eye This one probably won't be close because too few forumites seem to be familiar with The Third despite it being a relatively recent series which has been released in the States. Simon should win anyway, as he drags himself up from wimpiness to heroics and ultimately accomplishes some truly incredible things. He is arguably the strongest and least disputable competitor in this entire bracket. Honoka is too good a character to let her go without at least trying to put up a fight, though. The provided clip was chosen more to show off the empathy and soulfulness that separate her from other bad-ass female heroines, so unfamiliar viewers don't get to see much of how bad-ass an action figure she can be. She offers power and skill without the attitude and arrogance that normally walks hand-in-hand with them, the sensitivity to convincingly allow her a compassionate side, and the strength of character to be firm in her convictions without being overbearing. Overall, she presents an impressive package. Group D-28 Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Juna Ariyoshi, Arjuna This one's barely worth debating. Juna squeaked by in her previous two round rounds (by a total of three votes!) against much weaker competition; in fact, I'd say she's one of the two or three weakest participants in the round of 32. The provided clip alone should make it clear why Youko should win this one easily - but do be sure to read the (admittedly lengthy) context or it might not make sense. |
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Aylinn
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Group D-25
Ashitaka, Princess Mononoke vs. Kikuchiyo, Samurai 7 Ashitaka I'm not convinced that Kikuchiyo is a better choice, so I vote for the one I'm familiar with. Group D-26 Mahoro Ando, Mahoromatic franchise vs. Kamina, Gurren Lagann Kamina because I have read a lot about how great he is. Plus, his opponent is a moe, I refuse to vote for a moe. Group D-27 Simon, Gurren Lagann vs. Honoka, The Third: The Girl With The Blue Eye Simon like above, I have read a lot about how great he is. Group D-28 Youko Nakajima, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Juna Ariyoshi, Arjuna Youko Nakajima Her growth into a capable Queen, despite being in such a difficult situation is more impressive. |
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