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Monster in a box
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:59 am
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zanarkand princess wrote: |
Hannish Lightning wrote: | I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
Honestly there really aren't too many of these with these two shows. |
There absolutely are. People are dumb.
And this is obviously a problem on Bandai's end. AS wouldn't stop showing new episodes of the show because the ratings are bad, but show an hour of reruns instead.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:13 am
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As far as Code Geass goes, I'm guessing that this is like a couple months ago and we'll have it back. As Monster just stated, they'd probably yank the show entirely if the ratings were to blame. Reruns of a poor performer would do worse than premiers. Plus, I REALLY want to see what happens. I'm not sure what's up with Naruto. The Action Flix sometimes takes up the full two hours, and when it doesn't we were getting a new episode of Naruto. Then we got random reruns from the second or third season, which was an odd choice. They weren't even in order. I'm hoping they're just holding off until Shippuuden is ready to go. I wouldn't be surprised if ratings were down, between it being filler and the very inconsistent showings lately. Hopefully, CN realizes that part of the problem is their own programming, and will give Shippuuden a chance.
On this topic, it's also very aggravating that the anime on AS is being pushed back even later because now they think that The Clone Wars is fit for AS.
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sakuramusicstar
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:30 am
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I know people are entitled to their own opinion but I love the dub Code Geass and Naruto because I'm a fan a dubs and I fell like in the Code Geass dubs the voice actors do an amazing job with the anime and will never think it's horrible like many others who like the dub too.
Ok lets get back to the topic, I hate that I can't get to see the rest of R2 for a while because I like to wait and see what happens the same with Naruto and Bleach because I'm very anxious about Shippuden, and I watch to support the rating of these shows as well as get my anime entertainment to keep up with the story.
Naruto might have a whole marathon when it comes back on. CN and AS don't show as much anime as they used to which had plenty of viewers with a daily dose of Toonami and anime at night on AS, which I believe kept the ratings at its highest during those times with everybody from children to teenagers to adults watching.
Now the shows aren't as good anymore and comedy blocks all the anime even on saturdays. I wish they could realize this instead of just aiming at a particular audience and that everything was better back then. Oh yeah, Clone Wars should not be on AS, it's stupid to do that.
SongstressCela wrote: |
Hannish Lightning wrote: |
I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
To be fair, it is an absolutely horrendous dub, especially by recent Bandai standards. That said, wow. Dick move, CN. As usual. I'd be insanely pissed off if I hadn't seen it all already. I seem to be one of the few that absolutely loved R2 from beginning to end. |
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Hannish Lightning
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:00 am
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SongstressCela wrote: |
Hannish Lightning wrote: |
I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
To be fair, it is an absolutely horrendous dub, especially by recent Bandai standards. That said, wow. Dick move, CN. As usual. I'd be insanely pissed off if I hadn't seen it all already. I seem to be one of the few that absolutely loved R2 from beginning to end. |
If that's your idea of horrendous than don't ever watch a dub from the early 90s you'd end up committing suicide
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RoverTX
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:23 am
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Hannish Lightning wrote: |
SongstressCela wrote: |
Hannish Lightning wrote: |
I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
To be fair, it is an absolutely horrendous dub, especially by recent Bandai standards. That said, wow. Dick move, CN. As usual. I'd be insanely pissed off if I hadn't seen it all already. I seem to be one of the few that absolutely loved R2 from beginning to end. |
If that's your idea of horrendous than don't ever watch a dub from the early 90s you'd end up committing suicide |
I would pay to watch SongstressCela watching the first 12 EP of Slayers Season One. Ohhhhh boy, and what makes it even funnier is that after EP 12 a whole bunch of the voice actors change (for the better) all at once and you get kind of thrown off.
(For just a note the woman doing Lena Inverse is always pretty good through out the show, and the rest of the cast who wasn't fired after EP 12 seems to get some kind of major kick in the balls, and the new talent brought in is good also. Note on the note: Keeping in mind the time period in which the series was dubbed of course.)
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:28 am
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Sucks to be a dub watcher.
Hannish Lightning wrote: | I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
Why should fans watch something they believe is inferior?
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Kid Ryan
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:40 am
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Mario1234567 wrote: | 1.) Wow Baby Naruto you're everywhere >_>.
2.) Meet me on MAL and Ill help you with your English dub problem |
1.) Jealous much?
2.) I'm not gonna watch Naruto or Code Geass R2 subbed or RAW.
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babynaruto1 wrote: | This is totally tragic, now how am I supposed to watch Episodes 210-220 of Naruto (English Dub) and Episodes 16-25 of Code Geass R2 (English Dub)? |
Wait? Have a little patience? As others have said, this is likely that Bandai has fallen behind in dubbing. |
I don't wanna wait *pouts*.
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Ai no Kareshi
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:56 am
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Monster in a box wrote: |
zanarkand princess wrote: |
Hannish Lightning wrote: | I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
Honestly there really aren't too many of these with these two shows. |
There absolutely are. People are dumb. |
Right. Because anyone who refuses to watch an English dub is a moron.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:08 am
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Mario1234567 wrote: | I still say we need a All Anime Channel on Basic Cable that would all this. FUNimation, Bandai, Viz, and ADV Can make this happen they have enough anime to do it and we can get anime to america faster this way. |
Not so easy. Basic cable is a fierce competition - everybody wants in, but space is limited. Here, the cable companies are kinda like politicians - it depends on how much influence you have and how much you can pay off, whether you get in. As expected, the big boys backed by deeper pockets tend to get the lobby.
RoverTX wrote: | They kept posting the TV numbers and Code Geass and Bleach keep beating out Tim and Eric awesome show and its ilk, which you would think is a good thing, but as I understand it the anime shows are attracting the wrong demographic (ie 13-18) instead of (18-26) or at least that's their reasoning for trying to push aside Code Geass, Moribito, and Bleach. |
Adult Swim puts out only the 18-34 demographic ratings. They don't even measure the under-18 ratings.
Nevertheless, like immigrants, anime/foreigners have to do --not as good-- rather better than the locals just to get the same recognition. (I'm in a roll today! )
With everything else the same, CN stands to profit more from local productions than acquired ones. So, an outside production has to beat those odds.
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I think the biggest example of this is them canceling Toonanime with its slick looking Robot Host Tom, and replacing it with Magoozie with its Dora the explore rip off host and childish monster side kicks in what seemed to be a yellow submarine under the sea....
What I think they don't' realize is that they have almost capped out on younger viewers, and while they may get a small expansion in younger viewers they are limiting their over all market exposure.
A solution to all this is to move AS to Boomerang (since it is targeted at older viewers and the 15-18 range) and start showing old Anime on Boomerang. |
The reason for Miguzi was Toonami capped out and sliding off on young boys after the DBZ craze subsided. Meanwhile, the young girls demographic had been still largely untapped. So, CN had hoped that Miguzi's better gender balance would tap the girls demo more than offsetting the sliding boys demo.
In the meantime, Boomerang is not on basic cable on most households. It's not made for premieres.
zanarkand princess wrote: | Honestly CN's problem is that they are number 3 behind Nick and Disney and they want the same audience. It's painfully obvious that they're niche lies elsewhere and they are in denial. |
Actually, CN skews a bit younger, but #3 is actually not bad as long as one is still making gobs of money.
Besides, each of them have carved their own niche. Nick has cornered the toddler crowd (although CN is trying to go there too); CN has got the boys 9-14 market (although Disney is trying to go there too); Disney has the girls teen market (although Nick is trying to go there too). That's just what advertisers want: a place that's a leader on specific targets, not do well on all demographics.
The_Libertarian_Otaku wrote: |
If [AS] wants to replay Bleach, they need to put it on weeknights like they used to and scrap all their shitty comedy shows.
Delays in CG's dub getting finished? Just how long does it take to dub one whole episode anyway, much less 25? |
I thought fans don't like it when dubs are done like a fly-by-night?
IIRC, it usually takes about 1.5 weeks to dub 2 eps.
As for anime back on weeknights, face it guys, anime has lost that perch a long time ago....
DmonHiro wrote: |
Hannish Lightning wrote: | I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
Why should fans watch something they believe is inferior? |
Nevertheless, "inferior" does not equal "not good."
Otherwise, all US Presidents are "not good" after the First........... oh wait....
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RoverTX
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:25 am
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enurtsol wrote: |
RoverTX wrote: | They kept posting the TV numbers and Code Geass and Bleach keep beating out Tim and Eric awesome show and its ilk, which you would think is a good thing, but as I understand it the anime shows are attracting the wrong demographic (ie 13-18) instead of (18-26) or at least that's their reasoning for trying to push aside Code Geass, Moribito, and Bleach. |
Adult Swim puts out only the 18-34 demographic ratings. They don't even measure the under-18 ratings.
Nevertheless, like immigrants, anime/foreigners have to do --not as good-- rather better than the locals just to get the same recognition. (I'm in a roll today! )
With everything else the same, CN stands to profit more from local productions than acquired ones. So, an outside production has to beat those odds.
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Good point about the production rights. I forgot they don't get a chunk of any of the DVD or merchandise sales.
enurtsol wrote: |
RoverTX wrote: |
I think the biggest example of this is them canceling Toonanime with its slick looking Robot Host Tom, and replacing it with Magoozie with its Dora the explore rip off host and childish monster side kicks in what seemed to be a yellow submarine under the sea....
What I think they don't' realize is that they have almost capped out on younger viewers, and while they may get a small expansion in younger viewers they are limiting their over all market exposure.
A solution to all this is to move AS to Boomerang (since it is targeted at older viewers and the 15-18 range) and start showing old Anime on Boomerang. |
The reason for Miguzi was Toonami capped out and sliding off on young boys after the DBZ craze subsided. Meanwhile, the young girls demographic had been still largely untapped. So, CN had hoped that Miguzi's better gender balance would tap the girls demo more than offsetting the sliding boys demo.
In the meantime, Boomerang is not on basic cable on most households. It's not made for premieres. |
I thought Boomerang was on basic cable.....O well maybe its just on some basic cable packages.
What I don't get about the whole Miguzi to Toonami move was that it was changing demographic completely. With Disney out there, as you said controlling (or at least a big enough chunk) said market, wasn't this essentially trading control of a capped market for a stab at trying to get a piece of what would be a saturated market?
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Hannish Lightning
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:05 am
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Ai no Kareshi wrote: |
Monster in a box wrote: |
zanarkand princess wrote: |
Hannish Lightning wrote: | I blame the fans who refuse to watch Code Geass on adult swim because it's in "Lol, English" |
Honestly there really aren't too many of these with these two shows. |
There absolutely are. People are dumb. |
Right. Because anyone who refuses to watch an English dub is a moron. |
Well, a lot of those kind people are elitists and will never admit that an English dub can be good. And elitists are kind of dumb.
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Ai no Kareshi
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:15 am
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Hannish Lightning wrote: | Well, a lot of those kind people are elitists and will never admit that an English dub can be good. And elitists are kind of dumb. |
Quite possibly. But I expect there are many people among those who simply have no interest in watching the English dub of a show no matter how good it is said to be (I, for one, count myself under this category). I'm willing to bet that a great deal of these "elitists" are simply being misrepresented.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:55 am
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RoverTX wrote: |
enurtsol wrote: |
With everything else the same, CN stands to profit more from local productions than acquired ones. So, an outside production has to beat those odds.
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Good point about the production rights. I forgot they don't get a chunk of any of the DVD or merchandise sales. |
Well, sometimes they do get % from the DVD sales.
As you said, not merchandise though.
RoverTX wrote: |
enurtsol wrote: |
The reason for Miguzi was Toonami capped out and sliding off on young boys after the DBZ craze subsided. Meanwhile, the young girls demographic had been still largely untapped. So, CN had hoped that Miguzi's better gender balance would tap the girls demo more than offsetting the sliding boys demo.
In the meantime, Boomerang is not on basic cable on most households. It's not made for premieres. |
I thought Boomerang was on basic cable.....O well maybe its just on some basic cable packages.
What I don't get about the whole Miguzi to Toonami move was that it was changing demographic completely. With Disney out there, as you said controlling (or at least a big enough chunk) said market, wasn't this essentially trading control of a capped market for a stab at trying to get a piece of what would be a saturated market? |
As I mentioned, CN skews just a bit younger; Miguzi still didn't quite work out though. OTOH, Nick is taking Disney head-on amongst teen girls.
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Axe-336
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:55 am
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*Sigh* okay I'm officially putting my viewership of Adult Swim on hiatus. I've been screwed up by these ridiculous schedule changes enough, I'll just buy Code Geass and the sequel season when it comes out.
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v1cious
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:04 am
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i fail to see the logic in doing this. since Code Geass R2 is already past halfway point, i doubt it's a dubbing issue.
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