Forum - View topicKare Kano (about a decade too late)
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ryokoalways
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I just finished the series, and I just have a few questions.
First though, I was very impressed by the series. The unique main characters were refreshing. The emphasis on the sub characters also gives them more life (each one was devoted at least half an episode for development). The music was very fitting as well. And while the pacing is slow, it was never boring, and because the series didn't try to do too much and left the characters as the driving force of the series instead of trying to make the plot too big of a component, it didn't feel overextended. My issue with the series is more regarding the last several episodes, where i thought the pacing and focus went completely MIA. Starting from episode 24, the story shifted to side characters with minimal focus on the main characters. This carried to the end of the series (another half an episode of recap didn't help either). Basically, i was at least expecting the issue for Arima and Miyazawa to at least get mentioned and dealt with, not resolved. Instead, that whole area, along with the outcome of the play (this one isn't all that important but I wanted to see how it turned out) were not developed in the end. What came out for the final episode instead is a realization by Tonami. This isn't really a problem, instead for the fact that's how the series was ended, without the main characters in sight. I am a bit confused by that approach. There is always the manga if I want to finish the story, but those final episodes were definitely a bit lackluster. Also, was the production low on budget? With the style approach they took, that's how it felt to me. |
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Veoryn87
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Gainax has the habit of getting really cheap during the later parts of their series.
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HyugaHinata
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That problem was due to going overbudget (or close to it) during the latter half of Evangelion and Kare Kano. There are no excuses for making summary episodes, IMO. If fans want to recap, they can just watch the previous episodes themselves. It's not like the DVD release will come out several years later, especially not in 2008. |
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darkraven2000
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i also enjoyed kare kano. It was really funny and an awesome watch...
But, the summary episodes and the continuous summaries at the beginning were getting on my nerves. Like the OP said, episodes 24-26 were poorly done as well. spoiler[ I also didn't like the fact that either Arima or Yukino would spend like ages saying "O he/she saved me, brought me outta my mask, blah blah blah etc etc etc" . That bit was too repetitive.] |
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khimru
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HyugaHinata
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You're right. I made a typo. I dont' think that summaries are EVER justified, though. It's much better to let fans ask other fans about what they missed (if they come into a series late). There's no reason to bore everyone with summary episodes. Anime studios should just wait until the manga is finished or design an alternate ending that's entertaining (like FMA). |
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Veoryn87
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There's really no excuse for all those "synopsis of what's happened!" that almost every episode near the end had. I felt like the creators thought I was a complete idiot with the memory span of a goldfish. Humans are capable of remembering more than a week of their life, Gainax!
Still, with all its blatantly obvious flaws, like those recaps, annoying live-action footage, and crappy animation, I still loved His and Her Circumstances from beginning to end because of the fantastic characters. If reading manga didn't give me the same amount of excitement as being dead, I'd read it as quickly as possible. |
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Ggultra2764
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It was a bad habit for Gainax to go overbudget with several of their animated projects during the 1990s. Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water was also a victim of going overbudget. |
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xia83
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I found myself getting really irritated with the constant summaries. I can deal with summeries but not every single episode.
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abunai
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The best way to regard KareKano is to look at the first episodes and the last episodes as two separate things. In the first 2/3 of the series, roughly, the anime is a brilliant piece of work. It brings to life one of the best romance manga of all time, capturing both the drama, romance and comedy with perfect style. Even the music is top of the line, the ED (Yume no naka e) being one of the best ever.
The end of the series, however, is marred by the "curse of Anno". True to form, the series goes over budget, and everything suffers as a result. The last bit is about as half-arsed as anything ever aired. If I could wish for the Moon, I'd wish for KyoAni to do a remake of the series, staying true to the manga. It deserves that much. - abunai |
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mokuhazushi
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I think that's a really good observation.
Oh God, yes. Especially if they took 52 episodes and did the whole manga (though that still might be a squeeze). Not gonna happen, though. 
It would be really interesting to see KyoAni do a shoujo piece; I'm pretty sure they never have. |
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Veoryn87
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I thought the same thing after I finished watching it. I think KyoAni would be perfect for that kind of anime as long as they don't make the character designs too overly moe. |
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ryokoalways
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Considering that they have several other projects on hand, this seems unlikely at least in the near future.
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Alestal
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I was really disapointed with what happened with the later episodes as well, I was so confused when I watched one of the "half-arsed" episodes.. I didn't get anything from it and barely payed attension. It was like reading a book that had something spilled on it, every other line missing, words popping up here and there... it was a mess.
I also heard that the production had trouble meeting the deadlines for the episodes as well as being low on budget, so they subjected us to showing us screenshots of manga pages... (mostly of the main characters wide-eyed with their mouthes open) |
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dirkusbirkus
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Argh, I started a very similar topic to this on a fansub board recently. Kare Kano is, and will be for the foreseeable future, my favourite anime.
I got into anime through Cowboy Bebop. Prior to this I'd had the rudimentary anime education through Akira, GitS and a bit of Dragonball. Bebop made me realise anime could be cool and stylish...Yet I still thought it might just be a trend, a passing phase here in the UK. Kare Kano changed all that. Kare Kano made me feel real emotion, and evoked real feelings within. Yes, there have been anime series since that have achieved a similar response, but Kare Kano was the anime that had me hooked. It was the series that convinced me there was more to anime than meets the eye. I'm slightly amused by the enduring attention it receives, especially on this year, it's tenth anniversary. Despite being a strong advocate of the show, I'll be the first to admit yes, it is a flawed anime, and greatly so. The Gainax issues have already been mentioned in this thread. It has a 'false' ending. It cries out for continuation and the viewer is left frustrated and crying out for some sort of satisfactory conclusion. But it is precisely because of these flaws that make the 'meat' of the series all the more precious to me. Arima and Miyazawa are presented in very human way. Anime as a medium can often give free reign to the fantasy aspect of human culture, and rightly so. Animation is possibly the easiest medium through which we can suspend belief and accept what is before us. But the protagonists are given very real, very human insecurities and issues, ones we can relate to and empaphise with. Hideaki Anno has a penchant for delving deep into the human psyche in his projects, and the first half of this anime reflects that. To make a crude comparison, I found Kare Kano similar to an addiction... An initial high followed by an unrelenting craving for more. It's flawed, but beautifully so. Apologies if I haven't addressed any of the points raised by the OP directly... But I can't let a Kare Kano thread pass by without my two cents, I'm afraid! 
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