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zeroHgp
Joined: 25 Aug 2023
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 Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:59 am
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The reason why Sunraku can't just dispel the curse immediately with the help the other guilds is because it is not that simple. Due to cut content, it is not clear for anime only but while the method to dispel the curse is simple, it is still very hard to do. "The curse can be dispelled by a Saint" but currently in the story there is only one Saint and she is a very important and unique NPC. It is very difficult for any normal player to meet and interact with her let alone asking her to dispel the curse.
The offer the big Guild gave to Sunraku was that they will use their connection and power to arrange Suranku with the Saint. However, it takes time so Sunraku can only wait for their response for now. Therefore, it will not solve the current problem that Sunraku has with the Mecha armor and he has to play other game instead.
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:26 pm
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| Ruhrpottpatriot wrote: |
| jr240483 wrote: | | while i have no proof, i have a sneaky ass feeling that the number one player in that mecha game that was shown in the end credits is also the story developer/founder of SLF |
Nope. Mordo is just a regular player. |
I believe they were referring to the NH player Rust resembling SLF Creator Tsukuri-san, Mordo was Rust's assistant, and I believe they have an interesting point. I do see the similarity but it's not exact, owever, Rust's temperament would match Tsukuri-san's and would be a fun tie-in to have SLF's elements inspired by a mecha game. What better way to experience that than by playing it?
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Jabootu
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:21 am
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I understand the reviewer's frustration, but you can put me into the "it's fine" camp. And I am notoriously immune to the appeal of mech...anything. However, the episodes themselves are entertaining and really that's all I ask for. The only things that would make them obnoxious for me in retrospect would be if a) they dragged this out for an entire month or something, or b) we get to the end of the season and there was no resolution or logical endpoint because they needed a bit more time to get there. I'm assuming it's the opposite situation, though.
That said, again, I completely get where the reviewer is coming from.
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JohnHawk
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:49 am
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Baffling the reviewer hates that a VR MMO setting finally acknowledges they are in a game and can just fudge off and play something else to de-stress if they need to. Something wildly lacking in any other videogame based series. But man if just this 1.5 ep jaunt to mechaworld pisses them off so much they should just plan to drop the show after season 2 ends and never come back for a potential 3 cause lol lmao
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:12 pm
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I'm with the reviewer here. Jumping into another game to makes sense from a, well, gaming perspective, but we lose our connection to basically everything the narrative has spent time building up to this point. It almost has the feeling of an old-school Bleach-style filler arc, where the content's all completely non-canon but obviously set in the same world, albeit with an abrupt break from prior continuity.
I don't think the simple choice to have him play another game is a mistake, exactly; but, it just doesn't look like a ton of thought was given to how to make that work on a narrative level, I guess. Needs better ways to glue the experience together.
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Blaze_1013
Joined: 05 Nov 2024
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:23 pm
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| JohnHawk wrote: | | Baffling the reviewer hates that a VR MMO setting finally acknowledges they are in a game and can just fudge off and play something else to de-stress if they need to. Something wildly lacking in any other videogame based series. But man if just this 1.5 ep jaunt to mechaworld pisses them off so much they should just plan to drop the show after season 2 ends and never come back for a potential 3 cause lol lmao |
I mean, I can see why they would be upset by it. This does feel like filler in a way since it's totally removed from what has been the narrative thrust of the show for the last 30 episodes and right now the show's plot is on pause. The fact that the show did skip a piece of information that Sunraku can't really easily go and get the cursed removed only makes it feel more like a distraction since the solution to the problem seems obvious given the info in the anime. I know when I was at a manga place a few weeks back and looked to see where the anime was relative to the manga I was taken aback that Sunraku would be switching games. This ISN'T the norm for series which also makes it more jarring. I'm cool with how we got here and what the show is doing and I have faith this will have some larger point (I half expect Rust ends up being the blue haired girl with the face scar in the OP/ED), but I do get why some people aren't.
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Blood-
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:26 pm
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I'm actually enjoying the Nephilim Arc but I agree this is crap story-telling. However, this title has never really shown any commitment to deft story-telling in the past. It clearly wants viewers to "revel" in the visual experience of Sunraku kicking ass in VR games. That's really its only interest. What's frustrating for a viewer like me who couldn't give two hoots about Sunraku's game prowess is that it dangles story threads that suggest something more interesting is going on and then leaves them there to die on the vine. Would love to see more involvement of Psyger-0 but after 32 episodes I guess I just have to accept that the show has absolutely zero interest in doing anything interesting with her other than an occasional cameo where she can moon over Amazing Gamer Sunraku. Would love to see what's behind Pencilgon's alliance building but hey why bother developing that story line: here's some scenes of Sunraku fighting crystal scorpions, yippee!!!
Story-telling is becoming a lost art. Instead, a lot of shows seem happy to cater to viewers who are looking for some kind of "experience" ... like watching a fictional gamer play a fictional VR game.
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OpenYourEels4TheNextFeels
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:23 pm
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jr240483
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:46 pm
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| Hiroki not Takuya wrote: | |
I believe they were referring to the NH player Rust resembling SLF Creator Tsukuri-san, Mordo was Rust's assistant, and I believe they have an interesting point. I do see the similarity but it's not exact, owever, Rust's temperament would match Tsukuri-san's and would be a fun tie-in to have SLF's elements inspired by a mecha game. What better way to experience that than by playing it? |
and we have seen this before ( *cough* Akihiko Kayaba from Sword Art Online) where devs or the creators themselves play the games in secret! especially a live service one like SLF!
not to mention that as we saw with towa amane, she more or less have her exact real face when in her pencilgon avatar.
so while there is no hardcore proof, ( that is unless you have already read the source materials by now. for which i haven't just yet) the near facial resemblence combined with their tendencies to be extremely short tempered will give any anime only viewer the same conclusion that SLF story lead/creator tsukuri and NH player rust are the same person!
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:17 am
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| MrAJCosplay wrote: | | It's episodes like this that really test my abilities as an episode reviewer…and my patience.... since there aren't any major dramatic stakes, the show is very much just about watching gamer culture evolve through these hyper-interactive video games....The CG is clean...looks like they were ripped right out of a Gundam show which I'm pretty sure is what this game is trying to emulate....Here's my problem with this episode though: as engaging as it is, I would rather just be back at Shangri-La Frontier. I'm sure the resolution of this little side story is going to be that Sunraku is going to use his experience operating these mechs to fully understand the mechs that he gained access to in Frontier. The problem is that even if he learns how to use them, he still can't wear them until he gets the curse removed..... |
While I generally like your reviews, the italicized part I find odd as the story to date has not been about so esoteric a topic as modern cultural evolution but how Sanraku solves problems in playing faulty computer games and applies that knowledge and analysis techniques to quickly advance and achieve what other players consider near-impossible feats in a difficult but well constructed game (aka Weathermon fight) and how that affects his interactions with other players.
While the story could go as you postulate, I think it still too early to tell what the result of this narrative diversion might be but I think it could become very relevant to SLF as NH player Rust may join SLF, join Wolfgang and possibly get a unique Rabbituza scenario of her own if the girl in the OP is her. The writing so far has been so good and tight that it would be a big departure if this diversion were of such minimal consequence as learning how to use mechs. I for one am very interested to see how this plays out and am finding the action in NH quite engaging, unusual for me as I have very little interest in mecha fights.
The best I can say about the CGI at times in the last Ep is that it was "clean" as you said. Compared to other shows, the movement is a little choppy and hard to watch and the mecha are very simplistic and makes it seem they didn't take much time and effort with it. Gundum it ain't...
| NeverConvex wrote: | | I'm with the reviewer here... we lose our connection to basically everything the narrative has spent time building up to this point.... |
That is my potential concern with the NH-arc as well but if they keep the diversion short and tie it into the story well, I can forgive...
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Covnam
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:36 am
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I didn't mind jumping into another game for an episode for a change of pace, but now that it's going to be at least three episodes it is disappointing. I'm just not really interested in this side story that doesn't seem like it will add much. Not saying the content is bad or anything, I just want to get back to SLF.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:25 pm
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Another banger episode of Nephilim Hollow. Giant robots are soul and I'll be sad to see them go, even if I'm excited to see how Rust looks in SF and plays with Sunraku. Plus there's Akane who undoubtedly has some skills if she got marked by Siegwyrm.
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jr240483
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:18 pm
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| MrAJCosplay wrote: | |
The second plot point concerns the kingdom of Rabituza. It's kind of cute seeing Emul miss Sunraku as you get the sense that she really doesn't have any other responsibilities like the rest of her siblings. So it's possible that interacting with him was when her life got really exciting. However, things are about to heat up with a different introduction. The episode ends by revealing another player character who unlocked the privilege of entering the town. This is interesting, because I wonder what exactly she did that allowed her to enter this area in the first place. I really hope that these questions get answered as soon as possible next time. |
the reason why this player got into rabbituza was more or less the same reason that sunraku did, and that is just like with him when he got marked by the night emperor's mark/curse, she also probably got a mark/curse by the colossi monster, siegwyrm the sky ruler!
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:18 am
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With mention of Seigwurm as the "Golden Dragon King" and Ctarnidd it occurred to me in remembering that Setsuna said to "seek out Bahmut" and in looking into what that was I found that in Arabic legend it was a giant (world supporting) fish but in D&D it was defined as the "king of dragons". Thus, interactions of Wolfgang with Akitsuakane (henceforth AA) might lead to another SLF-shaking showdown via Seigwurm. Alternately, if the writer is being a little loose with what constitutes a monstrous sea creature and factoring that Setsuna would know only the ancient name, the writer could claim Ctarnidd is the modern name for the same. Either way, we are getting close to more monstrous fun in SLF...
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Ruhrpottpatriot
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:31 am
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Is the attention span of reviewers so short that they can't stomach a 2 or 3 episode long intermediate arc that, most likely sets up another player for the guild in SF? It's super clear that Rust and Mordo are two players who are going to join the guild later on and probably going to pilot the mecha's since Sunraku simply can't because of his curse.
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