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Kougeru
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they should stop wasting resources on this. it clearly didn't do any harm despite all the claims that it would. they're making massive money on those shows now with insane viewership numbers. they're just wasting money at this point
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immortal1982
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Unfortunately, the harm they get is not from these, but the ability to get and retain IP in the future with these leaks. This wasnt just screenshots, but hundreds of hours of property that they owned months before release.
The harm was the employees of the production houses who had nothing to do with this situation losing their jobs and potentially getting blackballed because of these leaks. The general rule or ethic on leaks is not to drop the whole damn thing. A screenshot? a clip? that doesnt harm anyone. But the leaks cost everybody from netflix to consumers money from top to bottom. |
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Fluwm
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How much a company will care about a leak will, of course, vary. Sometimes the issue is less about potential damage and more about control -- or, put more charitably, trust.
Obviously it's not an analogous situation by end means, but on the extreme end of this particular spectrum (among others), you've got Nintendo, who's notorious for canceling games and ending partnerships when even relatively small, benign leaks occur. Sometimes effecting projects in which hundreds of people have invested years of work into. |
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scrunchybunch
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[ REMOVED ] It did cause harm. Let's just leave out that the entire show leaked ahead of time, meaning a sizable number of people watched and circulated the show (thus eliminating the need for someone to watch it on the platform it was produced for). The working relationship between Netflix, the distributor, and the animation companies, post-production companies, etc. become shaky because of leaks like this. People will lose jobs. That's harm. People may find it harder to get work in the future because they worked for a studio known for leaks. That's harm. Hell, everyone involved definitely cares about how their material is rolled out to people. How it's presented. The directors, actors, writers, etc. all care that their work is presented when it's ready, cleared, and meant to go out. A leak like this means that in a lot of ways, hype is killed AND potential plans for promo may have to be reworked, foregone entirely because of it. People are involved here. Real people. A lot of them actually, and leaking an entire show before air. Not even providing an "alternative" post-release so those who can't watch on those platforms can, no, leaking months and months in advance. That harms everyone involved, including the leakers who now find themselves in legal hot water. [ REMOVED ] [ Moderator's note: please do not antagonize or insult fellow users. --F ] |
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Glordit
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Imagine being dumb enough to admit to a crim- Oh wait.
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residentgrigo
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Discord stands no chance of winning this. Reddit and even X help to investigate crimes and this one is easily worthy of prison time. Good luck burning money Discord Inc and no court in the EU would have accepted Discord's rebuttal.
Last edited by residentgrigo on Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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russ869
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Even the leaker himself admits that he barely watched any of the stuff he leaked. That's probably true for most people who downloaded these, just given the quality and work-in-progress nature of the footage. Most pirates likely downloaded the leaks just on principle (just because they can), but then realized "why bother watching an inferior version when the official release is a few weeks away anyhow?"
I don't understand these leakers who think they are some kind of badass hero for leaking something that was going to get an official release soon anyway. I guess with Arcane it's interesting because the footage was very work-in-progress so it gives you a bit of a peek into how the animation was made (something I've always wondered about that show). Leaking lost media is one thing, but what's the point of leaking an upcoming product? Patience is a virtue. It's not as if we don't have too much stuff to watch already...! Last edited by russ869 on Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:23 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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Reuben Lack
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Gentle suggestion here, if you quote or reference something from a PACER filing, it's good practice to also post a copy of the document itself and indicate the case name.
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WANNFH
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garfield15
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I think that kind of leak would definitely do harm with the original studios and production companies. |
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BadNewsBlues
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I would think the general rule on things like hacks, data breaches, leaks etc is to not leak them. Especially if the information in the that contains unredacted information like names and credit card numbers. |
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Cryten
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They are excising untrustworthy people and systems. They will naturally finish the job by making an example to recover some of their reputation. The unfortunate side is all the people who lose their jobs over their colleagues unwillingness to keep to their non disclosure agreements.
Discord really should co-operate in discovery for prosecuting criminal behaviour. As long as the terms only allow relevant material to be handed over. What is likely a problem is this will prove to many people who use discord as semi private conversation that it is as recorded, non confidential and liable to civil and criminal prosecution as peoples twitter posts. |
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DranzerX13
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I completely agree with this, 100%. Even if Netflix still has massive viewership with the new Ranma 1/2 remake, it doesn't matter. The company has to enhance the security for their servers every time this stuff happens, also fire people on their side that were involved, and rehire people. All of that costs money which they could be using on other things like licencing and producing more anime. |
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Reuben Lack
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FYI, the document is here, for anyone curious. |
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Jabootu
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In a vacuum you might be correct, but the law doesn't work the way you think it does. If copyright holders don't contest breaches of copyright, it's possible for copyright to fall into the public domain. In this case that seems unlikely, but the issue could certainly complicate future cases, and corporations have lawyers (and on staff, too, so they actually aren't spending all that much more money on cases like this) exactly to make sure things like that don't happen. Also...I don't know, I mean, we're talking several episodes of major series and an entire movie. You go after the people who released them because they're criminals, right? That doesn't seem that complicated to me. There are plenty of instances when it's appropriate to lambast corporations like Sony, but in this case they are clearly in the right. |
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